It’s a quote from an old movie and I’ve been dying to use it.

Because you’d never run out, so full of it you are

take a day off

First of all fuck off with that paternalistic ableism bullshit. Second of all I’ve just been checking in once in a while, I’ve been off for 8 hours. Just came back from fixing all my tomatoes to give away.

when you were first called out for being a shithead

You mean when someone first made up something I didnt say and then started a dogpile?

stop doubling down for your own wellbeing if nothing else

Ahhh sweet more demeaning “hey you caring about being called all sorts of shit you aren’t is actually a sign there’s something wrong with you” condescending demeaning ableist bullshit. There’s always someone like you trying to come in with some fucked up mental illness dunk when you can’t handle someone who says anything other than “yes, you are the one true leftist”.

Debatepervert

We’re all debateperverts here, the only difference is whether you have decided someone is in the ingroup or outgroup

you weren’t answering anything OP was asking about

That you do not appreciate an answer does not make it not an answer

brought that “everyone sucks” thought-terminating mentality, then started talking about an anecdote irrelevant to the post that centers men

Incredible to write this drivel and then talk about the other being reductive

i don’t feel particularly compelled to have a conversation with someone who was already telling someone shit like “i hope you get banned you absolute wretch” before i even showed up here.

Probably shouldnt talk about them on a public forum then

now leave me alone.

If you do not want to engage there’s several tools available to you. This is just a sad attempt at a micdrop

Thank you

How did this break rule 4?

Yeah I flew off the handle. It was dumb of me. Thanks for calling it out

I dunno, most dudes I met in South America were the same. Big on meat.

The patriarchy runs itself and benefits and hurts all genders.
It is a system of oppression tied to capitalism in order to extract value beyond the walls of the workplace. It also exists without capitalism, but in modern society it has been subsumed by it.
Just like how patriarchy lessens womens freedom (I forgot the word for ‘ability to do stuff/allowance to act’) and forces them into roles as “homemakers” and mothers, it also forces men into specific roles.

When I say it benefits all genders, what do I mean?
Women aren’t taken seriously and are reduced to sexual objects. This also means that women cannot be perpetrators, a perspective we frequently see when a female pedophile gets caught - typically resulting in lower punishments than men.
Likewise due to their designated roles as breeder and child-raisers, women are typically awarded the majority or totality of maternity leave.
For some, I assume, the gig of staying at home was nice, just like some men masochistically enjoy being the breadwinner.
Additionally, since women aren’t taken seriously, they are awarded a much wider range of emotions by society than men are.
Women aren’t expected to be proactive in the romantic sense, they are to be courted. This seems like something of an enviable position according to the guys I know.

Looking at this one could say “Wow BanMeFromPosting is an incel chud who thinks women have it good under patriarchy, they’re an MRA-stupidpol user who has infiltrated hexbear!” If one wanted to be a hostile shithead who assumed the worst of people. Because that is very clearly not what is going on. These “benefits” aren’t really all that good and they are all contingent on further enforcing gender norms. They also lock women into roles of being glorified incubation tubes. But look at how patriarchy “benefits” men and you’ll notice the same issues.

• Men are socialised to be brutal unfeeling actors in order to be the most efficient agents of capital. This means most patriarchal societies place an expectance upon men to engage in violence - like joining the military. This socialisation also leads to mens lacking social and emotional skills that lead to issues for everyone, including men.
• Men do not learn basic skills like sewing, cooking, Cleaning or other house maintenance, because it is expected women do it for them. This also means the patriarchal man is incapable of taking proper care of himself.
• I could go on, but I know no matter how much I spell it out a bunch of users are going to disappoint me anyway and say I hate women or some bullshit, so why bother? I’ll go looking for that thread from a month ago where someone spelled it out for people that understood how to interact with users who didnt share the complete same worldview.

Sorry, that last point was a dumb digression. What I’m trying to say here is that patriarchy is also incredibly hurtful to men. Its not all sunshine and roses. Think back to your own upbringing and think about how society would try to shape you. Think about the gender norms enforced on you.

Once again: That’s not to say that men aren’t perpetrators or beneficiaries of patriarchy, they clearly are. They’re made into a privileged class that gets to do all sorts of stuff that women don’t. Like have bank accounts or walk down the street at night without fear of being SA’ed.
But that’s also not to say that women aren’t participators in patriarchy. They aren’t some divine perfect feminine, they’re people like everyone else, and so exist within and enforce society. Try reading any cooking book from before the '70s. That shit be written by a lady, but it is the most misogynistic shit you’ll read in a good while^[1].

Sorry for turning this response into a vent.

Edit: And don’t get me started on the treatment of trans people or enbies.

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I think we agree on everything you’ve written here, apart from whether men are more or just as creepy as women. Because all the other stuff is the same as I’ve said, unless I gravely misunderstand you.

I dont know if there are any good studies about the frequency of creepyness, and I do have the copout of “women aren’t taken seriously, which is why we do not notice their creepyness” so it is kind of hard to talk about. It doesn’t matter all that much in the context of OPs post either, I suppose.

Nevertheless this type of gender war is not really constructive and I find it very juvenile, a lot of men do get really defensive about it too especially if they consider themselves sensitive to feminist issues which is not right way to discuss it.

:yea: getting ahead of juvenile actions was sort of part of why rule 8 was made, but it hasnt been enforced in a long time.

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Sounds about right

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I gotta say, codeswitching isn’t a men-thing. I present masculine and frequently get called all sorts of slurs when I reject women (which happens once in a while because I am very very hot )

Likewise I find I have to modulate the way I present myself in order to fit in so as to not be perceived to be hitting on them. I dunno, I feel like code-switching is just part of life, one wears all sorts of masks in different social contexts. Then again I am neurodivergent.

Speaking as a neurodivergent, my experience has generally been that men are much more accepting of neurodivergence than women. Or at least those that are unaccepting do much less about it. Maybe it has something to do with that “loneliness epidemic” that people talk about, men are more used to some guys being kinda weird? Or being kinda weird is more socially acceptable in male groups? I dunno.
The most vindictive pursuant people I’ve met have been women. However their actions have been limited to being really shitty socially, while men are usually… More physically violent.

It’s not the issue that we gotta be aware of how others interpret our actions, nor is it that men are more creepy than women; it’s that we live under a system of gender norms that make it so a creepy man is much more of a threat than a creepy woman.

I know it’s “not all men” and “the good ones know its not about them” and all that, but I do really think there is an issue with this kind of thinking. It’s adjacent to bio-essentialism. I remember a little while ago some long-time user wrote a good breakdown about it, I’ll try to find it.

I forgot the pumpkin spice latte thread.