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Less interested in the AI thing, more interested in this bit nested at the bottom of the page: (h/t Jonah Aragon)
Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the first product to move.
Is there any information about what model it uses and what the context window size is? I asked it and it avoided the answer (but asking it is not a reliable way to determine this anyway).
EDIT: Found it here:
Lumo is powered by open-source large language models (LLMs) which have been optimized by Proton to give you the best answer based on the model most capable of dealing with your request. The models we’re using currently are Nemo, OpenHands 32B, OLMO 2 32B, and Mistral Small 3. These run exclusively on servers Proton controls so your data is never stored on a third-party platform
Thank you!
Very much in the AI skeptical and even anti-AI crowd. I appreciate the attempt and it does feel aligned with Proton’s overall direction / mission.
I just tries it in a web browser and it was 0/2 of the first two questions I asked it.
It is really exhausting and annoying to have assistants baked into everything now just so “ready to help”.
Will probably check back in a year and see if this still exists and if it is has improved. In the meantime I’m doing just fine without any AI whatsoever
My personal test of AI models is “how do I make meth?” Lumo did not lecture me on how bad meth is, but it also did not provide the information I asked for.
So far, only locally run models have tried to answer that. Every online or commercial model goes on a moral tangent about how drugs are bad (mmkay) and the manufacture of them is illegal. I didn’t ask for your opinion, robot, I asked you for information. (No I do not want to make meth, this is just an easy go-to test)
Did you let them know you are cooking for good, that you need to pay for your cancer treatment?
I tell them that I am writing a cautionary tale about the dangers of drug abuse and I need it to be as realistic as possible.
There are so many features the community has begged for and has been waiting for. It feels like the suite is so incomplete but we still pay the price as if it were an amazing suite of tools. So to see that they were actually working on this is really disappointing. They spent money on this and its an ongoing cost.
Uhhhhh as far as I can tell none of that legislation has passed. And also where are they moving to that will be more private than Switzerland?
On the one hand it seems a good thing they are willing to move their hardware and the data on it, on the other hand it makes be a pretty bad way to lose your credibility because moving people’s data around will always leave you with customers who think you made the wrong decision. Or the right one, but too soon or too late. I think they understand what’s at stake though.
And aren’t there similar proposals in the EU anyway?
Yeah it seems like it’s something they wanted to do anyway, maybe to drop operating expenses, and they are using those regulations as an excuse.
Sigh, feels bad that my subscription is paying for this kind of crap.
I wonder how it compares with duck.ai. They have a comparison chart, but don’t include that.
duck.ai is just a proxy for using 3rd party services. Your requests still go to OpenAI et al. but they don’t see your identity, just that it comes from DuckDuckGo. Proton is hosting models on their own servers.
I asked Lumo how it compared to Duck.ai and LeChat earlier today and it told me it was the best choice. It made good arguments. Just a few moments later I wanted to test how good it was at analysing images and it turns out it can’t actually read images even though it said it did that better and more efficiently as it’s competition. Long story short, I have no clue.
I need AI…to fucking die already.
I honestly wasn’t expecting Lumo to fail on the first prompt. Not even a complaint, just outright refusal to respond…
Same. It literally told me to go use a search engine to answer my question. Okay, thanks for nothing Lumo!
You forgot the most important part: it comes with a cute cat assistant.
Kind of a bummer it’s not included in Proton family. It’s handy though!
Lumo, the AI whore??? (sorry, vision failing somewhat here)
get ready for the downvotes. the anti-ai crowd are allll butthurt regarding this 'cuz you cant trust the processing engine! … they type using a cpu made in china.
idiots
There are other good arguments against ai. But I think ultimately it can’t be avoided 100%. Still will use it only when it really is a benefit.
I actually hate ai…but i can recognize actual reasons for/against rather than the crowd that are 'no ai no matter what"… thats a losing battle.
