Ubuntu is the most well known distro among the general public.

Not among all groups. Gamer, for example, mostly left Ubuntu behind already.

The most vehement Ubuntu proponents are 30+ olds who moved to Ubuntu 15 years ago and never ever broadened their horizon. That’s probably why much of Ubuntu’s community-created documentation is so outdated.

now I’m not sure about unity either.

Unity didn’t but its predecessor Netbook Launcher did.

Debian also doesn’t offer security upgrades for contrib and non-free. Only main is officially supported.

So Fedora and openSUSE are most superior. OK.

I can use a community for my OS?

Debian is a community.

Debian GNU/Linux is a non-commercial Linux distribution, ergo not a product.

Right, but if you’re after the level of “stability” that Canonical is offering, where are you getting it for free?

Fedora, Alma Linux, openSUSE Leap, LMDE,…

That’s why I meant the SoC used by upcoming Steam Frame, specifically. They won’t ship a device that runs like crap.

Debian is a community, not a product.

They also don’t provide those updates.

Fedora allows all updates that do not break compatibility. To update packages in Universe means adhering to overly zealous version number freeze policy, whereas leaf packages in Fedora can be updates without much fuss. I contributed a small number (only two or three) of updates to Fedora packages years ago. Nothing was a core package, only tiny stand-alone utilities, so the stuff that would be in Universe under Ubuntu, but they had new version numbers. Updates were accepted by the maintainers without much trouble.

I am a Fedora guy by the way.

So you should know that I’m right.

Ubuntu Pro is free for personal use on up to five machines.

If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.

Debian is free for any use for an unlimited number of machines without corporate tracking which packages you install.

you can elect to sign up to Ubuntu pro without paying any money

Yes, home users can sign up for Ubuntu Pro for free which means repository access is tracked on an account level. How isn’t this more shitty than for example plain Debian?

This was always the case.

Yes, I know. So? Doesn’t change the fact that users of Debian/Fedora/… don’t have to sign up for a “Pro” service to get the same security updates.

Saying this is like screaming “I don’t know anything about Ubuntu except that I hate it!!!”

I posted a screenshot from Ubuntu’s own blog. So they hate themselves and lie to the world?

So when do you think we will get good ARM laptops and who will come on top?

Whichever vendor sticks the same Snapdragon as the Steam Frame into a notebook.

I originally used EndeavourOS with hyprland and I tried to us kdenlive, but it would never start.

Maybe an XWayland fuckup back then when Kdenlive didn’t yet transition to Wayland.

I remember accidentally installing entire DEs back in the day because individual packages required their entire native environment.

Either packaging bug or user error.

So external maintainers basically had to ‘extract’ some packages from the dependency bundle to make them available without installing the entire native DE. Isn’t that sort of how it still works?

No.

I doubt Toto would be as accommodating as Red Bull when it comes to driving GT3s or the 24h of Nurburgring.

Considering that Toto facilitated the move of Verstappen Racing to works-supported Mercedes-AMG GT3 Evo and even lobbied to have the N24 qualifier moved, I doubt that.

It’s an added service, not something that was previously available that is now locked behind a paywall.

I didn’t say anything about it having changed, so your “now” is disingenuous. Fact is, update support by Canonical for Universe is locked behind Ubuntu Pro. Non-Ubuntu distributions such as CachyOS/Fedora/Bazzite/openSUSE/Debian/… don’t have this hostile behaviour.

While Canonical deserves the criticisms leveled by op (that I agree with), it’s also incorrect to say that they lock security updated behind a paywall.

Anyone that does use Ubuntu gets security updated until they stop supporting that particular release version, which iirc is for six years (I may be wrong, thus is from memory).

I quoted the relevant part and yet you still don’t understand that Universe is explicitly not covered by security support by Canonical without Ubuntu Pro.