If the Twitter/X thing teaches you one thing, let it be this: Twitter was a neoliberal place. Then Elon Musk made it into X, a fascist place. Once again, neoliberalism laid the foundations of fascism. But that’s not the (whole) lesson… Neoliberal folks are still using X, calling it Twitter to make themselves feel better, and pining for the good old days. And there’s the real lesson: When neoliberalism turns into fascism, neoliberals will adapt to life under fascism. Right, class dismissed.

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(We really need a better way to crosspost from mastodon…)

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    8 months ago

    The conclusion is moot when the premise itself is wrong. Twitter was only “a neoliberal place” if you’re only looking at the neoliberal part of it. It’s like saying “YouTube is a site about sports highlights” because that’s all you watch.

    If you used Twitter and only saw neoliberal garbage, that’s on you for following neoliberals. It completely ignores the majority of communities.

    When I was active on there, if I saw a political tweet it was pro-socialist 95% of the time.

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      Aral is promoting the Fediverse.

      He’s also saying neoliberals/centrists are largely performative, and they are fine with fascism. It’s a variation of the Nazi bar story.

      There were always problems with Twitter’s moderation as it was lighter on the right than the left. The famous comment about not banning Republicans congresspeople comes to mind. It was never as right leaning as Facebook though.

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      i think youre misunderstanding the point they’re trying to make, but then again they’re not expressly clear who they’re talking about either and “neoliberal” is a term that means different things based on how we’ve been using it etc etc.

      If the Twitter/X thing teaches you one thing, let it be this: Twitter was a neoliberal place. Then Elon Musk made it into X, a fascist place. Once again, neoliberalism laid the foundations of fascism.

      I suggest they’re referring to the ownership of Twitter, not twitters users here. Twitter was owned by neolibs (they assert) and sold to Elon. They’re saying Elon is making X more fascist, not speaking about the userbase.

      Neoliberal folks are still using X, calling it Twitter to make themselves feel better, and pining for the good old days.

      And there’s the real lesson: When neoliberalism turns into fascism, neoliberals will adapt to life under fascism. Right, class dismissed.

      Now he’s moved to the userbase, which is confusing and muddles things up a bit. but his point here is the neolibs are the ones who stayed on X even after fascist users started coming in due to a fascist ownership. They complain, but they get by, because (and this may now just be my projecting my own thoughts) neoliberals have 0 morals and 0 insight.

      You said you aren’t there anymore. I think this means you’re exempt.

      Anyway that’s what i got from it

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    About ten years ago Twitter was actually a place for Canadian politicians and journalists and average folks with interest in politics of all views to converse and joke around together. It actually was very fun and despite the fact we didn’t agree, stuff like the Tell Vic Everything hashtag ended up being a very organic movement of sorts where a conservative idea for dissolved into humour. It really was rather non-partisan and enjoyable and I’m always sorry it changed.

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        Never used it so don’t know the interface. But now that I take out the magnifying glass and not skip over the handle I can see it there.

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          There’s a source in the post text and their handle is in a mastodon instance :P

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            Sigh. Why would I go to the source when it’s posted. And handle is what I said. (Clearly what I posted.)

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              Because perhaps you were curious about whether it was posted on Twitter… The thing you asked about…

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                And just like whitepeopletwitter, people can take from one place (Twitter) and post on another (mastodon). JFC. Ciao.

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                  This seems like pretty blatant deflection when you had multiple opportunities to find out your exact question by clicking one link or reading a little closer. Both things faster than making a comment.

                  You assumed wrong twice, made an inciting comment, and now you’re upset about it. Interesting.

                  Also why bring up whitepeopletwitter? This isn’t reddit…

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      It says the same thing about TERF. When people find accurate, clinically boring descriptions of themselves offensive, it’s not the term that’s at fault.

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      Neoliberal is an accurate descriptor for most liberals, progressive or conservative. The politics they support are similar more than they are different. The strong social safety net libs are social democrats who are either confused or in denial. I can’t fault them too much, good political education is basically non-existent in most schools. That still doesn’t mend the whole “caving to fascism” thing, social democrats still advocate capitalism. See how Sweden or Finland have been doing lately for a prime example

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        You’re off the rocker lol. How are most liberals neoliberal. It’s like you just regurgitate words you saw without knowing what any of them mean.

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        (not OC) I’m not on X but I will still defend Twitter because it rocked. I “curated” my timeline to be just friends, musicians, and comedians so I rarely saw politics…instead I got a steady feed of one-liners. You know, those screenshots that get spread around every other site to make us laugh?

        Twitter had one of the most diverse userbases of any social media site I’ve ever used. No matter your interest, you could find a circle to run with. Science Twitter, sports Twitter, weird Twitter…take your pick. Don’t follow capitalists if you don’t want to see capitalist tweets.

        140-char Twitter was amazing, 280-char Twitter was pretty good, and X sucks ass.

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      Honestly, the left spends more time trying to distance themselves from other leftists than they do helping their cause.