It’d be whataboutism if I was saying the existence of one makes the other ok. It doesn’t.
The point I’m trying to make is that wherever you live, the polices you have any strategic chance of influencing will be your own government’s polices. For those living in a country that’s massively arming Israel, choosing to focus on what’s happening to Uyghurs is just… easy. It’s a government on the other side of the ocean/continent, that you have little to no influnce over. A grand moral position, but one that doesn’t actually ask anything of you.
no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.
thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.
in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming…
a trade war that has been continuing for over 20 years
extremely high property prices continually being sold to foreign investment firms
an agricultural industry formally based upon small business family farms now being funnelled into a few small foreign hands
a loss in political influence over our neighbours due to a global superpower pushing us out
an education system focused on providing greater care for exchange students than educating an increasingly stupid at home population
please plEASE PLEASE reread this list and tell me how this is a china issue and not a your-country-doing-capitalism issue and that you’re not a liberal
lol, was just stating the issues, not my perspective on them. no shit these are issues with capitalism, doesnt this also show that china is doing capitalism as well?? or are they allowed tho
Yes, there are Chinese capitalists, and they’re often as noxious as any capitalist. The difference is they’re not in control, they can be imprisoned or executed for their crimes. China is doing capitalism they way you’d do a hobby. Meanwhile, the anglosphere has capitalism like you’d have HIV: there is no function not compromised by it, and our capitalists are above the law.
By even implying these are issues with China you have already provided a perspective. Everyone can see it and it is a perspective that has hoovered up propaganda.
a trade war that has been continuing for over 20 years
Pushed by your country every single time.
extremely high property prices
Your housing is financialized. This is capitalism in your country functioning per capitalists’ intentions.
continually being sold to foreign investment firms
This is a consequence of financialization. But you’re supposed to be talking about China, right? Why don’t you show us a breakdown of the percentage of your country’s real estate is foreign-owned and by country?
Anglos have been scapegoating other countries for their financialized real estare bubbles to take the heat off their own financial capitalists, i.e. the people actually doing the deed.
an agricultural industry formally based upon small business family farms now being funnelled into a few small foreign hands
You used that word again - foreign. Is everything foreign China?
PS your country’s agricultural industry has monopolized for ages, you’re describing a myth that hasn’t been true since the 70s.
a loss in political influence over our neighbours due to a global superpower pushing us out
Why does your country deserve political influence over its neighbors! What has it actually done with that influence? Ever done any investigation of, say, East Timor?
an education system focused on providing greater care for exchange students than educating an increasingly stupid at home population
Oh so you’re just a xenophobe and likely racist. Go ahead and show your math on that one, O Great Working Class Appreciator.
would you like me to go on?
I’d rather you grew a spine and stopped pretending at knowledge.
edit: also my favourite, random military drills in nearby waters without warning leading to passenger flights being diverted so they dont get shot down
Just think critically. Just for a moment. These were “warships”. Their live fire is basically big guns. How high to passenger aircraft fly? Put on your thinking cwhataboutismon’t want to get all wgataboutism lest you have a critical thought, but what might be comparable here for, say, Australia? Has it, perchance, engaged in naval war exercises in the Taiwan Strait? Go ahead and remind yourself.
no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.
Literally every working class organization is a political authority over which they are exercising power. And these organizations are frequently used to effect change, which is why capitalist states constantly try to stifle them.
thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.
Your state funds and runs interference for genocide. It uses fake genocide propaganda against China, in part, to take the heat off of itself. You are gladly supporting their effort using faux left language that is really just liberal thinking.
in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming…
China is not a political issue. It is a country of over a billion people. Your country is just an Anglo settler colonist vassal of the chief imperialists and those imperialists demand that you pick fights with their designated rival.
It’d be whataboutism if I was saying the existence of one makes the other ok. It doesn’t.
The point I’m trying to make is that wherever you live, the polices you have any strategic chance of influencing will be your own government’s polices. For those living in a country that’s massively arming Israel, choosing to focus on what’s happening to Uyghurs is just… easy. It’s a government on the other side of the ocean/continent, that you have little to no influnce over. A grand moral position, but one that doesn’t actually ask anything of you.
no member of the working class has power over any political authority and yet i can still have an opinion.
thinking israel is a colonist state also doesnt ask anything of me.
in fact, the chinese situation is much closer to home for me considering china is on my side of the world and an extremely potent political issue in my country. but ig you keep assuming…
secret-chinese-spy councillor or fishing rights, call it
would you like me to go on?
edit: also my favourite, random military drills in nearby waters without warning leading to passenger flights being diverted so they dont get shot down
please plEASE PLEASE reread this list and tell me how this is a china issue and not a your-country-doing-capitalism issue and that you’re not a liberal
lol, was just stating the issues, not my perspective on them. no shit these are issues with capitalism, doesnt this also show that china is doing capitalism as well?? or are they allowed tho
“Doing capitalism”
Yes, there are Chinese capitalists, and they’re often as noxious as any capitalist. The difference is they’re not in control, they can be imprisoned or executed for their crimes. China is doing capitalism they way you’d do a hobby. Meanwhile, the anglosphere has capitalism like you’d have HIV: there is no function not compromised by it, and our capitalists are above the law.
Like dude, your problem is with capitalism.
Time to swap overlords, vassal state.
https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
By even implying these are issues with China you have already provided a perspective. Everyone can see it and it is a perspective that has hoovered up propaganda.
if you replaced your brain with piss in your skull it’d be an improvement
Pushed by your country every single time.
Your housing is financialized. This is capitalism in your country functioning per capitalists’ intentions.
This is a consequence of financialization. But you’re supposed to be talking about China, right? Why don’t you show us a breakdown of the percentage of your country’s real estate is foreign-owned and by country?
Anglos have been scapegoating other countries for their financialized real estare bubbles to take the heat off their own financial capitalists, i.e. the people actually doing the deed.
You used that word again - foreign. Is everything foreign China?
PS your country’s agricultural industry has monopolized for ages, you’re describing a myth that hasn’t been true since the 70s.
Why does your country deserve political influence over its neighbors! What has it actually done with that influence? Ever done any investigation of, say, East Timor?
Oh so you’re just a xenophobe and likely racist. Go ahead and show your math on that one, O Great Working Class Appreciator.
I’d rather you grew a spine and stopped pretending at knowledge.
Just think critically. Just for a moment. These were “warships”. Their live fire is basically big guns. How high to passenger aircraft fly? Put on your thinking cwhataboutismon’t want to get all wgataboutism lest you have a critical thought, but what might be comparable here for, say, Australia? Has it, perchance, engaged in naval war exercises in the Taiwan Strait? Go ahead and remind yourself.
-you in 2002 trying very leftistly to convince me that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction
You’re entitled to an opinion, but this opinion is wrong and based in no investigation.
Yes it does, because you can do something about it.
Literally every working class organization is a political authority over which they are exercising power. And these organizations are frequently used to effect change, which is why capitalist states constantly try to stifle them.
Your state funds and runs interference for genocide. It uses fake genocide propaganda against China, in part, to take the heat off of itself. You are gladly supporting their effort using faux left language that is really just liberal thinking.
China is not a political issue. It is a country of over a billion people. Your country is just an Anglo settler colonist vassal of the chief imperialists and those imperialists demand that you pick fights with their designated rival.
Are you just going to do what they tell you?