• Goretantath@lemm.ee
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    4 days ago

    No its not, the object of a corp in this modern era we live in is to milk as much money out of the customer without caring about them. The EU laws are the only thing protecting their customers from microsofts greed. microsoft IS being forced to do this and thats a GOOD thing.

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      The only mechanism of “enforcement” that the EU is levying is fees/fines. M$ can absorb a large amount of fees/fines pretty readily if it means complete market capture.

      There is no “force” here when it’s just the “cost of doing business”.

      The EU isn’t raiding M$'s headquarters and capturing board members/C-suites. There is no “force”.

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        I don’t think you understand the fact that the DMA allows fines of up to 20% of a company’s global total turnover for repeated infractions.

        Global, as in worldwide. Turnover, as in not profits, but revenue.

        For chronic cases, non monetary fines can be applied, including divestiture of parts of the corporation operating in the european union.

        No, microsoft can’t just absorb the fines, because the DMA was formulated from the beginning with the specific goal of making it impossible to just absorb the fines.

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          I don’t think you understand the fact that the DMA allows fines of up to 20% of a company’s global total turnover for repeated infractions.

          And how many times has that happened?

          None? Great, we’re on the same page now.

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            because no company has dared to ignore it yet. Those high fines are for repeated infractions, As in if you just pay the fine but don’t change the behaviour your fine goes up.

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              https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/first-fines-issued-eu-digital-markets-act

              Yes… it’s only been 1.1 months since they’ve first issued fines under the DMA… What a long and litigated history! Definitely shows what you claim it does over it *checks notes* 2 issued fines ever.

              Funny part is, DMA has been law since MAY 2023. So in 2 years… it issued 2 fines ever… less than 2 months ago.

              But right! NO COMPANY EVER DARES IGNORE IT!

              LMFAO. Right.

              https://www.theverge.com/news/627522/apple-meta-eu-dma-antitrust-fines

              The Financial Times reported in January that the EU was planning to soften its regulatory practices around Big Tech following an increase in pressure from the US, with the new EU Commission that took office in December reportedly being more focused on enforcing compliance than issuing hefty fines.

              Weird… Doesn’t sound like the commission even wants to issue fines at all!

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            And you’re suggesting what, that msft tests the waters to risk a fine of potentially 25 billions (10% of 2024 revenue) rather than letting EU users uninstall stuff. I mean I’d love for them to try and get smacked by a huge fine, but they’re not that stupid. And the fact that they have no intention of testing the waters means that the DMA is working. The goal of the DMA is not fining corporations, it’s to force them to behave. And it’s working.

            No, I don’t think we are on the same page