• Tattorack@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Uh, yeah, not like this.

    If you’re sitting around waiting for the empire to fall, then it’s never going to fall. Empires fall because people make them fall.

    And it’s going to be achieved with blood…

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        2 hours ago

        No, Tattorack is correct. Material conditions decaying makes it easier to topple, but Materialists know that without the working class organizing and acutally overthrowing the system, it won’t fall. The system still has to be killed and replaced, otherwise it will linger on.

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      22 hours ago

      Also, ask when Rome fell, historians wont agree on any specific date. They were never the top of the town afterwards, but the fall was more of a gradual multi-century tumble punctuated by hitting every rock on the way down.

    • Coding4Fun@lemmy.ml
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      21 hours ago

      Not exactly true. USSR, felt without a single drop o blood, most because it’s economic opening movement started too late. US government is taking actions that are isolating US commercially, increasing its debt and losing relevance in the world’s diplomacy.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        2 hours ago

        The USSR wasn’t an Empire, which played into that. Further, the reforms it introduced weren’t because it opened up too late, but because they played against the socialist system of planning. The PRC’s approach to economic reform retained full state control and is focused on unity, rather than disunity, which is why it’s working.

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          2 hours ago

          Along of it history, yes. It’s fall, unless I am missing something, there was no fight.