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    I suppose Russia’s invasion is definitely imperialism, but I don’t see anyone saying both sides are at fault.

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      Russia claims that their invasion is justified because ukraine supposedly massacred Russians… Ukranians who are russian according to russia…

      If you were to take the middle rode somehow for some reason you would decry both sides as in the wrong

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              No Hitler did settler colonialism. In Europe. He threw the natives in ovens and stole their house.

              That’s why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil. He did settler colonialism against white people.

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                Yep, that’s why Hitler is regarded as the ultimate evil, the settler colonialism.

                The Anschluss and the annexation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia were both justified under the guise of protecting and uniting ethnic Germans in the regions, Hitler even said he’d totally, for realsies stop after that. But I wouldn’t expect .ml’ers to care about anything that happened before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact broke down.

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                  Remember when Russia and Hitler teamed up to split Europe?

                  Shocking how the impetus for the war in Ukraine is almost identical for Hitler needing to invade the Sudetenland.

                  Anyways, can we stay on topic about Rampart Israel?

                  I can’t believe Geneva is claiming it was “white genocide/colonialism” that is why Hitler is evil.

                  I mean I can believe they’re doing it, given the account is a propaganda front … but god damn that’s wild.

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                  Like this?

                  A few weeks after the Wehrmacht’s March 1939 occupation of all Czechoslovakia, and despite increasing doubts about Western intentions, Stalin again approached the Franco-British powers.

                  On 16 April 1939, he submitted a formal proposition: a three-power military pact with the obvious goal of deterring Nazi aggression.

                  Stalin’s diplomatic proposal mirrored the agreement in place prior to the First World War, in which Britain, France and Russia were bound together in an alliance directed against the German and Austro-Hungarian empires.

                  Had Stalin’s approach been accepted, it can only have changed the course of history – as such a union would have ensured, right from the beginning in the event of a conflict, that Hitler faced a nightmare war on two fronts.

                  This final Soviet offer of alliance with the West was snubbed, however, with the British in particular treating Moscow with disregard. Strong anti-Bolshevik feelings were widespread amongst the conservatives in the British government, and with Chamberlain himself.

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                    Buddy, I’m not going to defend the actions of Western powers during the build up to World War II. I agree with you that an antifascist alliance should have been formed and could have stopped Hitler much sooner and with much less death.

                    I do find it interesting that the article you provided makes no mention of Soviet annexation (Imperialism? Colonization? Liberation? Let me know which hyperspecific term for invading another country I should use) of the pre-Brest-Litovsk territory they lost.

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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            They are attempting to do the same thing, to erase the national identity of the people living there and conquer the place.

            Even the settlement thing matches, the Soviets used to move Russians into all the republics to erase national boundaries and make them all uniformly Russian.

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              Settler Colonialism means murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house. Not trying to force your own culture upon civilians.

              Examples are America, Australia, Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Israel, etc.

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                murdering the civilians and then stealing their land and house

                Yes, exactly like what Russia is doing to Ukraine, too.

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                  Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. We’re not talking about off-cases but national policy.

                  Or do you believe that Russia wants to expell all Ukrainians from Ukraine?

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                    If Russia is trying to annex Ukraine, then Israel is trying to annex Palestine.

                    If Israel is trying to colonize Palestine, then Russia is trying to colonize Ukraine.

                    Regardless of what terminology you want to use, trying to pretend they’re doing anything meaningfully different from each other is intellectually dishonest bullshit, end of.

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              I suggest looking up the difference between conquering and colonizing. Russia is trying to annex Ukraine into Russia, not make it a client state.

              And then look up what settler colonialism is. Because if it was that, then those Ukrainians wouldn’t be in occupied territory anymore.