• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      10
      ·
      2 days ago

      I don’t care if you play. I’m merely saying how continuing to do nothing is pointless. Good luck complaining the government out of power.

      • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        2 days ago

        All meaningful positive change in the US happened outside of the theatre piece of electoral politics. These include:

        • Socialist armies like vietnam’s bringing the US to heel ended the US draft.
        • Large numbers of people protesting internally, brought the end of the vietnam war, rights for workers like the 8 hour day, women’s rights, etc. The US has one of the bloodiest labor histories of any country, and unfortunately the US state did defeat it, but all of the gains for US workers come from this historical period of anti-capitalist organization.

        US electoralism is a distracting theatre piece, where both sides act as capitalist puppets. All positive change comes in spite of that system, when ppl start organizing outside of it.

        • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          2 days ago

          Why must it be one or the other? Do you really believe the best strategy is to focus all of your efforts in one direction?

          • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            2 days ago

            Because it accomplishes nothing. It’s not good strategy to play a rigged game, where acheivements were only made when people refused to play it, and went around it.

            You’ve given me no reason to play your rigged game.