• forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org
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    22 hours ago

    We all know you what you really meant:

    “Stop drawing conclusions from empirical data, it interferes with my prejudice and bigotry.”

    Or, did you actually think you were courageously taking a stand for…what, exactly? Being a jerk?

    Did it really never occur to you that choosing to let your ignorant fear shape your perspective makes you weak??

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      22 hours ago

      Lol. There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women.

      Have a gander at the records in all sports.

      If that does t cut it, how about the European studie that tested the strength and fitness of over 2 million kids. It showed that top 5% of male at birth is stronger than top 1% of at the age of 9. It gets much, much more skewed after puberty.

      https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/52/22/1445.long

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        3 hours ago

        It gets much, much more skewed after puberty.

        Because the primary causitive variable here isn’t the person’s sex chromosomes but their relative hormone levels. It’s highly correlated to the sex chromosomes that one is born with, which is what your data shows, but it isn’t the cause.

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          Barring a syndrome, there is direct cause between being born with sex chromosomes and hormone shifts during puberty.

          A rare example would be Caster Semenya. I 100% think she should be allowed to compete as a woman, as she was born as one. Even if her hormones are raised due to mutation.

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        11 hours ago

        None of this proves the op comment you replied to was “making shit up”, their only claim was that some trans women have less testosterone than cis women.

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        20 hours ago

        Please tell me you didn’t realize we’re talking about athletes that have undergone HRT and this study isn’t applicable in that case.

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        17 hours ago

        Not even the top men high school boys where better then the top female athletes.

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          15 hours ago

          There are of course differences depending on the sport. But eventually the best men are better than the best women, which is the whole issue summed up. At the very least in physical sports.

          Explosive sports exposes the issue more clearly. Which is why 15 year old boys win against the womens national team in football (soccer). 14 year olds have beat elite teams in womens hockey.

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        21 hours ago

        There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women.

        Wow.

        We could pretend that you forgot to say something about “when it comes to sports” or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that’d be a lie.

        So, thank you for proving my point. It is truly just sad and pathetic the way you try to pretend like you even know empirical data means.

        Take your bigotry and shove a back up your ass where it belongs.

        (Did you really think that quoting an extremely widely discredited study that did not involve any empirical data whatsoever was some kind of gotcha? Jesus Christ, that’s just pathetic)

        For the record, obsessing over other people’s genitalia is just fucking weird.

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          21 hours ago

          2 million people tested. Seems pretty solid if you ask me.

          We could pretend that you forgot to say something about “when it comes to sports” or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that’d be a lie.

          Well, we are talking about sports? Are you actually trying to undermine my argument just because you can’t follow context? Stop arguing if you have nothing other than bad faith to come with.

          Give me a better study showing that the trans medication actually works. The best anyone has given so far was a study showing 15 random people of Facebook that didn’t even compete in sports.

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            21 hours ago

            Whoa. Seriously? So if we’re not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women.

            Yeah goodbye. I’m done with you