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The “For the better”, also known as Anakin and Padme 4-Panel and Clueless Padme meme. The first panel shows a guy saying “You should vote dem and push them to be better.” The second panel shows another person saying “So you’re going to push them to be better after you vote?”. The third panel shows the first person saying nothing and staring. The last one shows the second person with a concerned look on her face saying “you’re going to push them to be better after you vote?”.

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    9 hours ago

    Voting in our system is like choosing the boss for the final boss fight. So yeah, if you’re in a place where your vote could make a difference, vote Dem, but never stop raising hell.

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    13 hours ago

    DNC would rather have Trump elected than Bernie…

    Never forgot how this shit started.

    DNC komisasars view the democratic voter as cattle they own.

    Sadly most of them accept it 🤡

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      13 hours ago

      I mean, it’s a big party and there’s a lot of different members with a lot of different takes that exist on a wide spectrum.

      But we watched politicians like AOC and Warren get chewed up. And we watched politicians like Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman get spat out. We’re watching the folks who were crying “Our Party Needs To Win More Young Men To Beat Donald Trump” turn and piss all over Zohran Mamdani, a candidate who has been absolutely magnetic to anti-Trump young men.

      There’s a real contradiction between the folks voting Team Blue and the folks claiming to represent those voters. Until that contradiction is reconciled, there can’t be a united front against fascism.

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        13 hours ago

        There can be no united front with any liberals. They will use the first opportunity they get to betray any such united front and help the fascists out. Please learn that from history, we need not repeat it.

        No liberal organisation is in our best interest. The only thing that helps against fascism are left organisations, extra-parliamentary opposition and extra-legal action.

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          13 hours ago

          There can be no united front with any liberals.

          FFS, even Mao and Lenin didn’t think that way. But then they didn’t see the lay liberal as a serious impediment to their efforts at de-colonization. They saw them as an impediment to the yeoman’s work of reorganizing the body public on a mass scale. And they addressed the impediment through Mass Line politics and iterative, experimental reforms.

          No liberal organisation is in our best interest.

          Liberals are going to organize whether you want them to or not. And in a country as heavily weighted towards older, liberally educated service sector professionals as your average western state, you’re going to get a lot of them popping up under every regime of any political valiance.

          Conservatives have spent 60 years building a media and a body politic that manipulates liberals into supporting their agenda. Leftists will have to learn to be at least as persuasive and compelling. Because liberalism isn’t something you can ignore. And the western leftist movement isn’t in any position to call the shots. The whole point of a Vanguard Party is to spearhead a revolutionary program that can sway and mobilize the body public. It isn’t going to be able to staff every bureaucratic position, much less to impose a universal orthodoxy on everyone, nor should it try.

          • Commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            United Fronts with liberals were a Stalin thing, can’t double check but I’m pretty sure Lenin wasn’t an endorser of them given how he used elections to show that liberals and other bourgeois parties were against worker interests to gather support.

            And historically, united fronts were literally against workers interest - just look at Mussolini’s Italy and the united front there against fascism. Workers were forced to accept monarchists and turncoat fascists by liberals as comrades in arms, after fascism got taken down you had armed guards actively shooting at workers who stopped working for 5 minutes and also betrayed the proletariat by sidelining every demand of theirs like councils or nationalization

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      14 hours ago

      I agree. There’s hardly any difference between them and the party of child raping traitors that literally take money from our enemies and then use our tax dollars to actively kill US citizens

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        13 hours ago

        You can apply the exact same to them. Blue Magats gotta stop idolizing democrats, just because Trump is worse doesn’t mean they’re good.

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        Ah so it’s OK if the Democrats do it to other people that are worth less, like brown people or non-USAian citizens?

        You seem to only be concerned for the “betrayal”, which is only a miniscule fraction of what your reactionary government (regardless of ruling party) has done to the world.

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          7 hours ago

          Yup, the side that was in charge when Epstein was arrested and then killed in jail, and who have regularly brought up the Epstein files, and who can currently release them in their entirety through a simple house vote, but fled via an early recess. Thats the side

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    13 hours ago

    You should vote dem and organize a real non-dem opposition, be it a third party or by getting people organized.

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      13 hours ago

      True, I’m not opposed to people voting dem, if i were in america I would do it myself, but so many people just vote, and don’t do any organising afterwards.

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        12 hours ago

        Fair enough for the presidential, but it gets a lot muckier with Congressional and local elections. The sentiment is correct, though.

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    They are the more culturally liberal of the two Wall Street parties, essentially the “good” mobster to the Republican “bad” mobster á la “Vote for me and I’ll try not to make things worse – for now. Or do you want my friend elephant over there to beat you up?”

    (Of course they are lying, they are just far more gradual and self-cucking in their reaction)

    They are the liberals covering for and collaborating with fascists. They have no issue with concentration border caps and with the pillage, rape and destruction of societies infinitely more valuable and cultured than theirs.
    Just put some rainbow and BLM stickers on those bombers and border patrol trucks and everything is good and civilised again; they are the ones that protect you from “the backward barbarians” after all.
    But when all that reactionary violence is funnelled inwards as well, when they loose their imperial privilige, they start to whine about “the downfall of our civilisation”.

    It disgusts me with such deep disdain, because they are just the keepers of capitalism, holding it nice and warm for as long as they can, until the ruling class requires the backup of fascism to “bring order” back into the world and upon the working class; just so that the cycle can begin again and again and again…

    (and also two side rants:

    • Henry Ford was given the highest award a foreigner could get in fascist Germany, by Hitler himself mind you
    • There is nothing inherently progressive about being “LGBTQ+”, you are not subversive, you are not “bringing society forward”. You are reinforcing capitalism by making it more inclusive, you are just another consumer target group that will be disposed of once you become undesirable for the capitalists (so the fascists can have one more “common enemy” to rally against e.g.)

    From an older comment of mine:

    To quote Malcolm X:

    The white liberal is the most dangerous thing in the entire wester hemisphere. He is the most deceitful, he’s like a fox. And a fox is always more dangerous in the forest than the wolf. You can see the wolf coming, you know what he is up to. But the fox will fool you. He comes at you with his mouth shaped in such a way, that even though you see his teeth, you think he is smiling.

    All their supposed progress and opposition to capital only reinforces and propels capitalism, alleviating the need for fascism just for a little longer (which arises for the ruling classes when the majority of the population grows disillusioned with their lies, be they conservative or “progressive”). In the end only legitimizing the underlying framework (capitalism), without ever threatening it.

    TL;DR: scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

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    12 hours ago

    Just think we can stripe down the democratic party and make a leftist party

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    This meme is the exact opposite of how American politics works.

    You vote for the candidate that represents you in the primary. If your candidate wins the primary, great. If not, at least they’re better than a candidate that is the complete opposite of your positions.

    You don’t change people after elections. That’s not how it works or how it’s supposed to work.

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        12 hours ago

        Yeah, this dude doesn’t even realize he agrees with the OP. He just doesn’t understand that that is OP’s while point.

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          11 hours ago

          “Push them to be better after you vote.”

          You don’t change them after. You vote for the candidate that represents you during the primary.

          The US isn’t a European parliamentary democracy where dozens of parties get a candidate.

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            11 hours ago

            Correct, the US is a 2-party system designed to ensure that corporate interests are protected above all else

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        You vote in the primary. If people don’t vote for your candidate, that’s not the Democrats fault. That’s the fault of Americans.

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          It doesn’t matter whose fault it is; the goal of getting progressive policy is clearly not being accomplished here.