• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    I mean, that was happening, though. The White Army, Nazi collaborators, and surrounding Capitalist nations during WWI all tried to overthrow the USSR.

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      4 months ago

      hmm, in the same way I can say that “jews” served the purposes of the imperialist agenda inside and outside Germany, does that give the Nazis right to oppress an ethnicity and use that vulgar language against them? This is called political failure imo

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        4 months ago

        Are you arguing that Jewish People and Fascists are equivalent? Dangerous terrorists that actively were murdering people and attempting to return the state to Tsarist Rule should have been opposed.

        Jewish People are an ethnicity, this isn’t a tie to power but an intrinsic genetic characteristic.

        This is an absurd comparison.

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          4 months ago

          I wanted to say that foreign conspiracies aren’t an excuse for authoritarianism and oppressing the other ideologies and antagonizing them. You justified USSR acts by saying their fears were true.
          Now Nazis fears also about Jewish element came true, and I think I’ve seen that actually the Jewish population was actually being manipulated by foreign entities, in fact this is something every country has, minorities being manipulated by U.S.A, U.K …etc (even in U.S.A and U.K lool)
          The Nazis solution to “the jewish problem” is similar to the marxist solution to ideological/political discrepancy which is to antagonize and oppress every other. That’s what I think

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            I wanted to say that foreign conspiracies aren’t an excuse for authoritarianism and oppressing the other ideologies and antagonizing them. You justified USSR acts by saying their fears were true.

            The ideology of fascism was against the USSR, and armies moved against it. Calling antifascism “authoritarianism” is the paradox of tolerance, you cannot tolerate the intolerant.

            Now Nazis fears also about Jewish element came true, and I think I’ve seen that actually the Jewish population was actually being manipulated by foreign entities, in fact this is something every country has, minorities being manipulated by U.S.A, U.K …etc (even in U.S.A and U.K lool)

            No. The fears of a Jewish “cabal” were false, and focused on ethnicity. This is wild and borders on Holocaust justification.

            The Nazis solution to “the jewish problem” is similar to the marxist solution to ideological/political discrepancy which is to antagonize and oppress every other. That’s what I think

            Throwing Jewish People into concentration camps and exterminating 9 million people is not the same as rooting out and militarily combatting fascist organization, the goals of which are genocide of the slavic peoples and reinstatement of the brutal Tsarist monarchy the people overthrew. The fact that you think this is in any way comparable speaks volumes about your positions, as you’re quite literally sympathizing with fascists.

            Punching Nazis is good.

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              4 months ago

              I don’t know exactly how much of the bad that was said about Nazis is true, neither how much of the bad said about USSR or Maoists is true, most likely USSR’s acts weren’t as dramatic as the former, but I’m pointing they were both extremely authoritarian

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                4 months ago

                You sympathized with Nazis by saying the USSR oppressed them, that’s more than pointing the USSR out as authoritarian, that’s defense of fascism.

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                  4 months ago

                  emm, I think you didn’t live in a communist directed country. Certainly Nazis and these things exist, but not every other ideology or party or organized religion is Nazi plot, authoritarianism leads to political stagnation

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                    4 months ago

                    Sure, but we have historical evidence of numerous Nazi collabotors working within the USSR to destabilize it, and numerous instances of the White Army attempting to restore the Romanovs.