No not tired of Trump or Biden but the whole government. The incompetence overall. Please don’t harp on one of the presidents all day. BOTH SUCK. In fact if you look real hard you’ll realize all of them sucked

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    Yes and no. Currently, a large portion of the small business owners are firmly pro-Trump, and a lot of wealthier dems are still hardline liberal democrats, but the working class does seem to be more engaged politically and rejecting the parties. It remains to be seen if they get suckered into electoralism again, or if we finally get organized as a class.

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    We got rid of PP (right wing) because corruption and now there’s a ton of corruption cases from PSOE (left wing).

    People is tired. Most street level conversations about politics lean towards a completely lack of faith in the current system overall.

    Basically the only ones hyped up about their political option are the alt-right (because you know, nazis don’t care). The rest of the spectrum just criticize other options but they don’t really defend their own option as they know there’s nothing to defend.

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      Precisely, both sides are always found to be correct and egregious because both of them practice and participate in the same system of methodology. Most of the times they’re just working together. To keep an ideology of division amongst the population, the laymen never becomes expert in politics to understand the situation that they find themselves in. You’re one step ahead of the curve. Do not fall in with the herd of sheep. When the resistance comes, you will be at an advantage.

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    Don’t get stuck on the both sides war. Thats pure right wing propaganda. They gut the government so it cant do anything well, then say “look at that government sucks! We will just buy it up make it private and everything will be ok i pwomise”

    Then we get deeper into the shit.

    Also, one side is literally nazis, the other is pretty bad at certain policies. Wow what a hard choice.

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      Both US parties are genocidal imperialist parties, the state still serves capital. The capitalist state is not the “good guy” here, even if the DNC is in control, because both parties are beholden strictly to capital.

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      Both sides suck. You didn’t read that in the original post? I saw Obama and Biden. Bush and trump further the decline of America. The fact that Americans are too stupid to see it is the major factor behind the ruin of America though

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        Statesians aren’t “too stupid.” Statesians, like everyone else, license themselves to believe that that which benefits them is just. Trying to blame deliberate acceptance of the status quo on a lack of intelligence actually does more to absolve Statesians of our responsibility to tear down the empire from within.

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      The US state being an arm of capital is more of a leftist stance than right-wing. It’s efficient enough, it’s just that it solidifies imperialism and exports genocide and destruction globally to keep that going.

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    The media can’t shut up about the corruption cases of PP (Montoro, recently) and PSOE (Ábalos and Cerdán until recently), which is inadvertedly pushing people to VOX (far-right).

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    I’ve got a job that interfaces with government employees, so I see a lot of incompetence.

    I’ve also seen how actions have been made to improve over time and that a lot of the problems with some government agencies is just a staffing issue where they can’t attract qualified people because the pay sucks.

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    If you replace the government with nothing, you get nothing. If you replace the government with private sector, you get shit quality and less service at a higher cost.

    So, take your pick.

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    My government is good. Really good actually. But they’re hamstrung by the voters being god-awful.

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    Here in Germany, a minority is, but most people I interact with are quite happy and trust the government. They do fear the right wing though.

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      Would you say because they people are good and obedient or because they actually like the government and why?

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        Over here, People trust the government and although they may complain, in the end they see the politicians as their peers instead of enemies. Germany is naturally famous for its ”Realpolitik”: some things can’t be fixed so a realistic consensus must be achieved. In the USA this used to be possible, but it seems MAGA don’t like compromise 🤭

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          I actually think people in Germany are scared of doing anything to “polar” with the government because you all had Hitler. Not wanting to go extreme in any way. I say this from having a family member in Germany and meeting several Germans in person. Economy sliding down and the government is practically begging to be next in line to fight Russia, even though it’s unnecessary. I honestly think you all are trying to tune it out from what I noticed

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            Preparing to defend against Russian expansionism isn’t the same as begging to be next in line to fight Russia. It’s clear that Russia will just keep bullying the west (or basically anyone around them). If you can’t rely on what they say, you have to speak their language and be prepared for war. Not to attack them, but to defend yourself and other sovereign nations around them.

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              Lol well I can’t and won’t explain it to you to make sense. So I’ll just say. If they start a war with them they will lose magnificently.

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    It is not the government that is incompetent, that is an idea promoted by the right and the billionaires that fund both parties.

    Why do so many Americans think the US has a huge crime problem? It is promoted by the same people. Statistics do not support it.

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      Where you been at buddy? As an American I can tell you the government is INDEED incompetent. The right didn’t create that idea good God. George Bush was incompetent in 2000 and he was the right

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        The leadership is not the government. Leadership varies widely. The actual government workers and departments are different. Lot of very compitent people. There are questions of course. Big organizations tend to grow, how to address. What should be the priorites. Government cannot do everything. Mandates tend to grow. Polotics and money tend to corrupt. Like IRS, rich people do not want to pay their taxes so republicans always under fund.

        If your talking presidents. Trump is the least comperent in my lifetime. Bush 2, first term not really there, second a lot better. Of course Raegon, Biden, and Trump got too old in office. The others back to the 70s which I lived through and was old enough to follow, mostly competent but all had issues of course. I am not rating these on whether I approve of their policies.

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    I’m pretty tired of the way EU works today, and needs a reformation to be taken seriously. The voting process of a union is just killing it, and there is no progress, when 1 or 2 nations can just veto against, and then nothing happens. This is apparently an “unforseen” - bug in the system. Which automatically should lead us towards federalising, and Saying: “Everyone who wants EU can join, everyone who doesn’t, we’ll still be friends and making trade deals, but you are no longer getting any of the sweet benefits from EU.”

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    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhh!!! -The Who (1971)

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    In theory the youth are, but in practice organizing seems to be more difficult and there is a lack of clear direction on how to improve things (ie: if everything is bad)

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      And that is why their dreamy revolutions and shit won’t work. This stuff requires planning, but there isn’t enough intelligence around to do that.

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        To succeed in revolution, you need a mass worker party supported by the working class. Right now revolutionary prep is focused on raising political education among the people and party building, not active terrorism.