I am confused about the sheer volume of seemingly illegal actions these fascists are getting away with. The amount of US citizens unlawfully detained, the warrantless surveillance and raids, the refusal to identify themselves, and the clear pattern of violence though indiscriminate physical assault.
Where are the class action lawsuits?
Why are no Democratic politicians calling for ICE’s leadership to be investigated, impeached, imprisoned? Even if Democrats are kinda feckless and racist themselves, surely they’re not as stupid as the Republicans and can see the threat that ICE represents to the economy, if nothing else?
I’m just astonished by the absolute dearth of any resistance to these squads of lead-poisoned idiots who don’t follow any rules and are seemingly only motivated by a desire to hurt people.
Moreover… I want to believe in rehabilitative justice, and if we ever want to see former ICE agents get treatment and re-enter society as productive upstanding citizens, it would be best to stop them before they’re too far gone. Not to make it out like they’re the primary victims here, but I do believe what they’re doing is actively harming themselves.
No only that, it has at least been theorized at various points in the past is that part of the reason for them refusing to even show proof that they’re lawful government agents is that they sometimes aren’t and are instead basically just private thugs hired by the state who are bluffing that they are actual agents.
And I think it’s kind of weird, if anything, that we’ve seen so few cases of violence in self-defense against these guys. If you don’t have any proof you’re an agent of the state and I’m not committing any crime, then you can’t arrest me, what you’re doing is kidnapping and I have every right to use proportional force to stop you, which can easily mean killing you. If you refuse to prove you’re a cop by even the most mundane standard of evidence, you don’t get any of those protections regarding “assaulting an officer,” “resisting arrest,” or any other expectation that I defer to your authority, because that authority is predicated on me having adequate reason to believe that you’re a real cop! Even in relatively conservative areas, I don’t think a judge would challenge this idea (though some would in really reactionary areas, of course).
If these are real ICE agents, I think the answer is literally just cowardice, like the IDF sending in tanks without infantry because some fools think it’s safer to just “bully” Palestinians with a heavily armored vehicle, with no appreciation for how much less safe the tank is without infantry protecting it.
That’s the unbelievably frustrating aspect of the Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez shooting. ICE agents jumped out of an unmarked car and looked like carjackers to this innocent guy who had just dropped off his kids at school, so he reversed his car and tried to escape and was then shot dead. That’s not even self-defense, just self-preservation. And you don’t really hear anything about it, despite the fact this guy was an innocent man murdered by ICE for no reason. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-records-witness-accounts-complicate-dhs-narrative-fatal-chicago-area-ice-2025-09-24/
cw doomer
If you kill a fed you’re going to federal court. Acquittal rate is 0.4%. Assuming you make it to court at all and aren’t summarily executed by masked feds in the middle of the night.
Even with acquittal being that uncommon, it’s not like they just decide it by rolling dice. There are better and worse cases, and this is one of the better cases you can possibly get.
You are totally right about risking summary execution, though.
Reinoehl style
Ngl in this racist ass country it makes it even more confusing when you remember that like half or more of ICE agents are Latino
On top of “How has no one shot at the random gang trying to kidnap them?” I’m wondering how some 2A freak hasn’t shot at them because he “saw a bunch of Mexicans jump out of a van and try to kidnap an old woman, assumed they were MS13, and started blasting”
This has to happen at some point, right? You don’t even need to be a freak, per se. A well-meaning person who carries a gun might easily look at that situation and try to intervene. “Bunch of scary guys in masks assaulting someone” is probably like top 3 good-guy-with-a-gun fantasies. They made 6 Death Wish movies, including one fairly recently. Are you going to tell me that there aren’t plenty of people out there just itching to shoot at a gang of anonymous thugs? It feels inevitable.