I would distinguish election observer groups reporting their first hand observations and politicians making statements. For South America:
Claim fraud:
Argentina
Chile
Costa Rica
Ecuador
El Salvador
Panama
Peru
Uruguay
Seek verification:
Brazil
Bolivia
Colombia
Guatemala
Guyana
Mexico
Paraguay
Support:
Bolivia
Cuba
Nicaragua
You might be able to notice political leanings of the groups. Capitalists not liking an election result doesn’t make it fraudulent. The same claims were made of previous elections and proven false after audit.
All of this is to ignore the 100 year history of U.S-backed coups in Venezuela and trade sanctions. It is hard to take American voices seriously when they claim to advocate for the people of Venezuela while enforcing sanctions that destroy their quality of life.
“All except three countries in Latin America are US puppets” is about the braindead take I expected of a fascist. Democracy only when it suits you, huh?
Thanks, by the way, for explicitly refuting your own previous point of
They only people claiming fraud are the Americans and the losers.
It is hard to take American voices seriously when they claim to advocate for the people of Venezuela while enforcing sanctions that destroy their quality of life.
lmao. “Mean ol’ America won’t subsidize my favorite fascist regime by granting them access to American markets 🥺”
Funny how it seems like every one of these BRAVE ANTI-US NATIONS is utterly dependent on American trade to guarantee a basic standard of living for their people. You would think the bold socialist nation of Venezuela would be capable of paying retirees more than $2.50 a month and keeping more than 10% of the population above the poverty line with their glorious democratic socialist utopia.
Almost like Maduro’s regime is just a fascist petrostate dependent on outside subsidy or plunder to remain standing, since it has no capacity to run even the basic functions of a country itself, like all fascist states.
Let me know of any groups I missed, but as far as I can tell only the Carter Center and the opposition were on the ground and unhappy with the outcome.
The Carter Center seek disaggregated results by polling station to corroborate the results. The opposition took their own exit polls and claim 70% of the vote. All statements by nations are informed by one or both of these groups. That’s why I said the Americans and losers are the ones claiming fraud. The opposition are clearly biased, while the Carter Center I would go on a limb and call USA aligned.
Ten years from now you’ll still be licking Maduro’s boots, regardless of whether he’s in office, in exile, or in the ground. Fascists just can’t help themselves.
Just a few days before the election, on Friday, July 26, 2024, a who’s who of Latin American right-wing personalities sought to enter the country on a private jet. US mainstream media portrayed this as a benign action without recognition of their previous human rights violations and their efforts to undermine Venezuelan democracy. Former Colombian Vice President Marta Lucia Ramirez, who was on the plane, has a long history of supporting campaigns to destabilize the duly elected Venezuelan government. While these individuals claim they sought to observe the election, it is unclear what training, framework, reporting mechanism, or authority they have to do so.
Just noticed your addition to a previous comment:
Funny how it seems like every one of these BRAVE ANTI-US NATIONS is utterly dependent on American trade to guarantee a basic standard of living for their people.
They are a petrostate, all of their money comes from oil, nearly everything else they have to buy from other countries. Their economy was fucked when oil prices went down in 2014. The biggest buyer in the region is the USA, so when they stopped buying they were double fucked. Certainly an argument can be made that playing ball with USA is the way to go when it’s the easiest path to grow exports. Just a shame that the person to vote for that option is a CIA spy
We observed a deeply participatory and pluralistic process where the Venezuelan people are directly engaged in the social and political life of their nation.
This the same ‘participatory and pluralistic’ process in which Maduro’s government has repeatedly banned candidates from running, imprisoned opposition, placed armed government guards at the polls, and have refused to release the vote tallies they supposedly have?
Like, all of this could have been avoided if Maduro’s government weren’t a bunch of fascists trying to hide an election loss simply by releasing the vote tallies that have been requested by numerous countries in addition to the opposition. But instead they say “Trust us bro we totally won”, and all the good bootlickers fall over themselves to worship Maduro’s democracy.
Despite the soundness of the electoral process, the US-backed opposition and US mainstream media refuse to accept the results, aiming once again to threaten Venezuela’s democracy and sovereignty.
Oh yes, US mainstream media like (checks notes) the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Meanwhile, in response to election-related criticism, Venezuela has expelled diplomats from Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, Panama, the Dominican Republic and Uruguay.
Definitely top notch stuff here. What free and democratic government doesn’t expel diplomats for hurting the regime’s feelings? /s
[Maduro’s] attorney general has threatened to issue arrest orders for both Machado and Gonzalez. Already, armed forces seized a key opposition leader, Freddy Superlano of the Voluntad Popular party, on Tuesday morning.
Also very normal democracy stuff, arresting opposition leaders immediately after an election.
Fuck’s sake. Are you really that desperate to support fascism?
They are a petrostate, all of their money comes from oil, nearly everything else they have to buy from other countries.
They’re a petrostate because Chavismo was built on high oil prices to subsidize massive clientism and corruption. Maybe that wasn’t such a great idea for a supposedly independent and socialist ideology?
Their economy was fucked when oil prices went down in 2014.
Cool, so, they’ve changed their tack since then?
No?
Huh. It’s almost like they have no plan to better the country and just want to hang onto power at all costs.
We’re starting to argue about media bias and Venezuelan politics, which I don’t think could possibly end. Surely I’ve outstayed my welcome on this lemmy community. I thank you for responding to and reading my links instead of just deleting them. Keep on fighting the fascists.
And the EU, and almost all of Latin America. But hey, who needs facts when you have boots to lick?
I would distinguish election observer groups reporting their first hand observations and politicians making statements. For South America:
Claim fraud:
Seek verification:
Support:
You might be able to notice political leanings of the groups. Capitalists not liking an election result doesn’t make it fraudulent. The same claims were made of previous elections and proven false after audit.
All of this is to ignore the 100 year history of U.S-backed coups in Venezuela and trade sanctions. It is hard to take American voices seriously when they claim to advocate for the people of Venezuela while enforcing sanctions that destroy their quality of life.
“All except three countries in Latin America are US puppets” is about the braindead take I expected of a fascist. Democracy only when it suits you, huh?
Thanks, by the way, for explicitly refuting your own previous point of
lmao. “Mean ol’ America won’t subsidize my favorite fascist regime by granting them access to American markets 🥺”
Funny how it seems like every one of these BRAVE ANTI-US NATIONS is utterly dependent on American trade to guarantee a basic standard of living for their people. You would think the bold socialist nation of Venezuela would be capable of paying retirees more than $2.50 a month and keeping more than 10% of the population above the poverty line with their glorious democratic socialist utopia.
Almost like Maduro’s regime is just a fascist petrostate dependent on outside subsidy or plunder to remain standing, since it has no capacity to run even the basic functions of a country itself, like all fascist states.
Let me know of any groups I missed, but as far as I can tell only the Carter Center and the opposition were on the ground and unhappy with the outcome.
The Carter Center seek disaggregated results by polling station to corroborate the results. The opposition took their own exit polls and claim 70% of the vote. All statements by nations are informed by one or both of these groups. That’s why I said the Americans and losers are the ones claiming fraud. The opposition are clearly biased, while the Carter Center I would go on a limb and call USA aligned.
We could start with all the election observers which Venezuela prevented from entering the country.
But that’s not suspicious at all, no sir.
Ten years from now you’ll still be licking Maduro’s boots, regardless of whether he’s in office, in exile, or in the ground. Fascists just can’t help themselves.
Have a read of the National Lawyers Guild full report, they go through the US’s actions to discredit the election.
Just noticed your addition to a previous comment:
They are a petrostate, all of their money comes from oil, nearly everything else they have to buy from other countries. Their economy was fucked when oil prices went down in 2014. The biggest buyer in the region is the USA, so when they stopped buying they were double fucked. Certainly an argument can be made that playing ball with USA is the way to go when it’s the easiest path to grow exports. Just a shame that the person to vote for that option is a CIA spy
This the same ‘participatory and pluralistic’ process in which Maduro’s government has repeatedly banned candidates from running, imprisoned opposition, placed armed government guards at the polls, and have refused to release the vote tallies they supposedly have?
Like, all of this could have been avoided if Maduro’s government weren’t a bunch of fascists trying to hide an election loss simply by releasing the vote tallies that have been requested by numerous countries in addition to the opposition. But instead they say “Trust us bro we totally won”, and all the good bootlickers fall over themselves to worship Maduro’s democracy.
Oh yes, US mainstream media like (checks notes) the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Definitely top notch stuff here. What free and democratic government doesn’t expel diplomats for hurting the regime’s feelings? /s
Also very normal democracy stuff, arresting opposition leaders immediately after an election.
Fuck’s sake. Are you really that desperate to support fascism?
They’re a petrostate because Chavismo was built on high oil prices to subsidize massive clientism and corruption. Maybe that wasn’t such a great idea for a supposedly independent and socialist ideology?
Cool, so, they’ve changed their tack since then?
No?
Huh. It’s almost like they have no plan to better the country and just want to hang onto power at all costs.
We’re starting to argue about media bias and Venezuelan politics, which I don’t think could possibly end. Surely I’ve outstayed my welcome on this lemmy community. I thank you for responding to and reading my links instead of just deleting them. Keep on fighting the fascists.