not vegan but reddit continues to be a freeze-peach paradise. bonus points some vegan should slide in here and recommend the vegan comm here

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Veganism is not inherently leftist because the equality of leftism only applies to humans.

    There is noting wrong with compassion for animals, and I would expect every leftist to harbor some form of it for them, simply because leftism arises from compassion.

    But leftism cannot apply to animals. The liberation of animals cannot arise from leftism, because animals are not sapient.

    I should not have opened that link and checked out one of the threads meow-tableflip

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      22 days ago

      But leftism cannot apply to animals. The liberation of animals cannot arise from leftism, because animals are not sapient.

      These statements don’t even really follow from each other. It’s just stringing together words to justify a preexisting conclusion.

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        What part of “Nature is man’s inorganic body – nature, that is, insofar as it is not itself human body. Man lives on nature – means that nature is his body, with which he must remain in continuous interchange if he is not to die. That man’s physical and spiritual life is linked to nature means simply that nature is linked to itself, for man is a part of nature.” Do these people not understand?

        I’m not even a practicing vegan, but I understand how animal liberation exists as a link in the chain of all human activity that impacts nature.

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            i draw the bare minimum line at being anticapitalist and broadly antinationalist (exception for liberatory/decolonial nationalism, and pragmatically not destroying your state while the US exists). a couple centuries ago i might have drawn the line at republicanism vs monarchism, and a couple centuries in the future if the capitalists are gone there’ll probably be some struggles about how centrally organized the bureaucracy should be.

            libs and so on obviously don’t use my definition because it would correctly position them as right-wing.

            i’m handwaving all social issues here obviously. A place like Burkina Faso needs the chance to follow Cuba’s footsteps on queer rights and so on. In the future people may look back aghast on the AES of the 20th and 21st centuries for their carnism but i can’t stand up and honestly say that i think veganism is inherent to leftism when it’s not inherent to AES, not even Kerala.

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              I envy you for not knowing tbh.

              NAFO stands for North Atlantic Fascist Fellas Organization, basically a bunch of NATO bootlickers on Twitter with dog profile pictures.

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            When I use it, I refer broadly to the tendency toward democratization and away from oligarchic dominance, in keeping with the French Revolution origins of ‘right’ and ‘left’

            The groups you’ve named all truncate or abandon democratization in order to preserve privilege.