• Optional@lemmy.worldOP
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    20 days ago

    Stop trying to blame Russia

    No.

    blame capitalism.

    We can do both, but one of them has a more defined paper trail.

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      19 days ago

      The notion that your “Trump and the GOP are Russian assets” conspiracy theory has a “more defined paper trail” than the countless volumes of work done by thousands of historians, philosophers, economists, and scientists, going back hundreds of years regarding the depravity of American capitalism is just downright laughable.

      What are you even trying to say here? Are you seriously saying the Russia/Trump connection is more well understood than the pitfalls of American Capitalism?

      If Trump is a Russian asset, why didnt the US pull out of NATO months ago? Why was Trump shipping Jevlins by the truckload to Ukraine at the beginning of the war? Why is Trump’s entire schtick that NATO (Russia’s primary adversary) needs to increase spending (which it has, in record amounts)?

      If Russia is blamed for Trump’s election, we avoid the unpleasant reality of our failed democratic institutions and decaying empire. We avoid facing the inevitable rise of a Christianised fascism borne out of widespread impoverishment, rage, despair and abandonment. We avoid acknowledging the complicity of the Democratic Party in the orchestration of the largest social inequality in our nation’s history, the evisceration of our basic civil liberties, endless wars and an electoral system bankrolled by the billionaire class, which is legalised bribery. The myth allows us to believe that Democratic politicians, like the establishment Republicans who have joined them, are the guarantors of a democracy they destroyed.

      All the investigations into Trump’s ties with Russia are unequivocal. There was no collusion. The Steele dossier, financed at first by Republican opponents of Trump and later by Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and compiled by former MI6 British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, was a fake. The charges in the dossier — which included reports of Trump receiving a ‘golden shower’ from prostituted women in a Moscow hotel room and claims that Trump and the Kremlin had ties going back five years — were discredited by the FBI. Sources, including the one that claimed Trump had long-held ties to the Kremlin, turned out to be fabricated. Special Counsel Robert S Mueller concluded that his investigation ‘did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.’ Mueller did not indict or accuse anyone of criminally conspiring with Russia.

      • Chris Hedges
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      19 days ago

      We can do both, but one of them has a more defined paper trail.

      Capitalism’s trail of blood in your country goes back to its founding. It is incredibly well-defined and has been studied a lot (except they won’t tell you about it in school or many universities).

      And if you want a more concrete link between capitalism and trump, look at inauguration footage again, or look at campaign contributions.

      Russia’s entire state budget was less than revenue of just Apple in 2024. If your ruling class didn’t want trump, he wouldn’t be a president right now.

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          19 days ago

          Exhibit A: USian prompted to interrogate their internalized racism

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            19 days ago

            So, y’all just say whatever comes to mind and pretend it’s a real thing, huh? Cool.

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              At this point, I can’t see any other reason you’d stick to blaming “the russians” for the state of your country. Even if putin has kompromat on trump, putin is not the reason republicans hold all three branches of your government.

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                19 days ago

                Again, it’s not just “the russians” but so many of you are jumping out of your seats about it.

                So many of you from .ml that is.

                Curious.

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                  18 days ago

                  Ah, I see, this is a “just post” community, and you carefully follow the rules by just posting and not actually reading the content you post at any point. Hats off to you.

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              19 days ago

              It’s because you called out russia. Now the tankies are here to defend them and blame capitalism for everything.

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                    Americans doing the same fucked up shit americans have always done but at home instead of abroad, or to you instead of the usual minority targets? Call them russians! People correcting you? Call them tankies! You don’t need to have a coherent response, you can just hurl pejoratives and thought-terminating cliches at anyone who questions you and feel great about yourself even if you’re completely wrong and fantastically fucking stupid!

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        If your ruling class didn’t want trump, he wouldn’t be a president right now.

        You’re projecting. Maybe YOU can’t be nudged towards an ideology by propaganda, but millions of people can. They can be tricked.

        Until you realize that, it’s not going to get any better.

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          The propaganda is coming from inside the imperialist house. Fox isn’t owned by some Russian billionaire.