I asked a question on a forum about why a command wasn’t working. They said I didn’t have an interpreter installed on my computer and were making fun of me. I showed them that I had one installed and that wasn’t the problem, but they continued to talk sarcastically to me without explaining anything. Only one of them suggested the cause of the problem, and he was right, so I thanked him. Then another guy said that if I couldn’t figure it out myself, I should do something else and that he was tired of people like me. After that, I deleted my question, and now I’m not sure. And I don’t think I want to ask for help ever again
Just an asshole. My experience is different. Know that you learned from others and stood on the shoulders of giants.
The whole “pay it forward” culture is a thing. So next time, ignore that fucker and teach new people.
Because it took 10, 20 years for them to start to know their ass from a hole in the ground. So they take all the pain of their learning experience and lob it back at you whenever you remind them of themselves starting out.
They might also resent newbies for the much better learning materials available today and even the possibility for easy shortcuts (llms). Back then there was no substitute for sitting down and fiddling with it for hours or reading a some poorly-written book.
Being good at programming does not correlate with good people skills or good teaching skills. As you have noticed asking questions on the Internet attracts assholes that want to flex their “intellectual superiority” at others.
Learning programming is hard. Assholes making beginners afraid to ask questions makes it even harder. But I promise you that once you get decent at it, it goes from frustrating to rewarding.
I think there’s a few different things worth addressing here, so please bear with me since this might be a long reply.
What you experienced here is, unfortunately, very common for anyone getting into tech. A lot of us can recall the first time reaching out somewhere for help and receiving a mixture of belittlement and vague answers as a response. I’d argue it’s probably one of the biggest issues we have in this space.
If I had to guess why tech forums are so vitriolic to newcomers, I’d say a lot of us simply forgot what it was like to be inexperienced. They forgot how daunting it is to want to learn, to run headfirst into a bunch of errors you barely understand, and then try navigating a sea of concepts and terminology that practically requires a dictionary of its own.
While the forums rarely get better (unfortunately), never let those people drive you away. It’s incredibly overwhelming at first, and there’s a lot of us who are long overdue for a slice of humble pie, but someday things will start to click and the things you want to do will start to come to life.
It’s late, I’m rambling, but you’ll your footing. When you do I hope you get the satisfaction of telling one of those assholes on the forums to shove it while giving another newcomer the welcome they need
It’s because they’re stupid and mask their flaws by being rude so you don’t question their authority or intelligence.
Or even the ones that do know what they are talking about have such shitty lives that they feel better entertaining themselves playing “benevolent sage” without knowing what “benevolent” means so just end up trying to throw around the tiny bit of power they have.
Don’t give up because of them or assume all programmers are like that. Just like many other areas, the assholes tend to be the loudest.
Gamer culture I am assuming?
Btw they weren’t ignoring you, they just didn’t know the answer themselves and wanted to hide it.
It’s funny, right? These dudes will simultaneously decry new programmers relying on AI to teach them but then will also turn around and mock and troll new users like duh… I’d talk to the ai too!
You’re absolutely right!
Seriously though, that’s a great point.
Producers too, like music producers I mean. Though I can only speak to that field personally, it might be a similar situation, so I’ll share.
Well actually, I mean I guess it’s two things- one is that a male-dominated field with a lot of egos involved can pretty easily develop in a snooty direction. STEM careers are famous for that as well. It blows.
The second thing, the thing I was initially going to mention is that at least in the case of producing, there is an epic shitton of information you need to learn to do it well/properly, for starters. Even to just make your first piece, you need to actually STUDY it. That attracts two different archetypes, and the one that sucks is the overwhelming majority. :(
So, as you can probably imagine it’s super easy to find courses/tutorials online to learn stuff; you can find the whole field plus music theory on YouTube for free. The problem is that a lot of beginners don’t bother to do that, and/or don’t think they’ll need to. Unfortunately, it’s these lazy fucking casuals that saturate all our “ask someone who knows” spaces with asinine, uniformed nonsense questions.
So you see, by the time you see a question from a legitimate learner, sometimes even a peer, you’re so annoyed by the other sort that you can’t sort them.
That’s not fair to the legitimate learners, of course (and as someone who is not yet a full-on expert, I’ve been on the wrong end of this myself), but thats the sad state of things.
“Growing a thicker skin”, or so I’m told, is the only solution. :(
I’m sorry this happened to you. Just know that there are assholes everywhere, and they often tend to be the most vocal, especially when they can hide behind anonymity. Try not to let them discourage you.
Which forum lol?
RTFM
~(but seriously, best attempt is to post wrong code and claim it’s the best solution for a problem - you will be instantly corrected)~
That has never worked for me. People actually upvoted my wrong code and said it was correct when I tried this.
The manual: -f fleep the floop -k accepts a specifically formatted string which is not described here -h prints this message
Who wrote this manual: me
Agree. A Manual is a highly technical document. It is not easy too read and it requires skills to understand it.
I’m very sorry this happened to you. Please don’t let some assholes discourage you. It’s a great profession, and can be a lot of fun.
Nothing makes some sad sacks feel better about themselves than making fun of someone for not knowing what they have learned. Just know they have been pants on their heads stupid about something and had to ask for help. Count on it.
Whilst dealing with this kind of asshole in a work environment is a lot more complex, online they’re like dogs barking behind a wall - only doing it because they’re aggressive simpletons and isolated from any problems from doing it - and just as unworthy of consideration or attention as one.
They really only have any impact on you when you give them more importance than they deserve.
Also keep in mind that these people are at the lower end of expertise and professionalism: top experts don’t waste time with talking shit like that, they’ll just either teach you or (most likely) ignore you because they think that stuff is too basic and not worth their time, and professionals are used to being professional and shit-talking ain’t being professional - even in expertise terms these people are unimportant.
IRC is still pretty popular with programmers and in my experience people are helpful on the various tech channels (on libera.chat at least)




