• village604@adultswim.fan
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    6 days ago

    Well yeah, because that perspective relies on the belief that humans will just stop behaving like humans.

    Crime will still exist.

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      6 days ago

      Miss me with the simplistic “humans are inherently bad” bullshit and go read Kropotkin and Graeber.

      • village604@adultswim.fan
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        6 days ago

        It’s not that humans are inherently bad, it’s that inherently bad humans exist.

        Changing the hierarchial structure of society and our economic system isn’t going to stop rapists and murderers.

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          6 days ago

          Yes, in fact changing the hierarchical structure of society will. Go read and educate yourself and stop confining yourself to oppressive and exploitative systems.

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            5 days ago

            Shit like that is why no one takes you guys seriously.

            You fail to realize that the situation we currently find ourselves in is entirely because of human nature. There have always been people hungry for power who will do anything to achieve it, as well as those who would follow such a person.

            Shit, even revolutionary Catalonia had a bunch of murders.

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              5 days ago

              Your uneducated and simple minded claim to “human nature”, when the quote is a PhD anthropologist who has studied all of human history directly contradicts your claim, is why no one should take you seriously.

              People hungry for power can’t have power over others if society isn’t structured to give hierarchical authority to individuals.

              Go read and educate yourself or Get bent moron and fuck off from my notifications.

                • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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                  3 hours ago

                  we don’t expect that. that’s why we construct parallel structures of power in opposition to the current structures of power. that’s also why we try to interrogate history and anthropology to understand how pre-colonial societies structured themselves and to understand what subjugated knowledges have been lost that we could and should be working toward and acting on.

                  anarchism isn’t without rules in the hopes that humanity will be different from how it is, but rather implement rules and systems that address that this current world, the one that enforces status quo through hierarchical power structures, fails to provide the order it purports to provide and steeps us in the very chaos it purports to protect us from.

                  you’re arguing that no one will ever take us serious as long as we believe something that we don’t, and refusing to engage with what it is we actually think. you’ve decided our systems and ideas can’t work before even bothing to learn what those systems and ideas are

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                    1 hour ago

                    The problem is that you have to create a power structure to enforce the rules. The entire premise hinges on the entire world cooperating, which is a pipe dream.

                    There’s a reason things like communism never work on a very large scale, and that’s partly because the more complex a system is, the easier it is for bad actors to infiltrate. The problem with looking at pre colonial times is that those were, relatively speaking, extremely small collectives.

                    Representative democracies should perform the way I’ve heard people try to explain anarchy, but they don’t because people suck.