• mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned from community
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    1 month ago

    Don’t insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel

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      1 month ago

      I’m not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn’t. That’s the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down.

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          We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn’t supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better?

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            Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation’s and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and “security” arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region

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              Weapons is not the only way to back a country either

              Yes! I know I’ve been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page!

              Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn’t mean that NATO is responsible.

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                Didn’t you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel

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                  1 month ago

                  Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the “entire” onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn’t just have to be weapons!

                  So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for.

                  Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it’s just as incorrect to say “nato”. Say something like “most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people”.

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                    They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel

                    Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn’t mention the form of backing

                    So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only

                    But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it’s good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism

                    Why not say UN supports the genocide?

                    Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions?

                    Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia.

                    No it is not silly