Anark does (in my view) a well-cited and very polite refutation of Socialism4All’s response to one of his off-the-cuff videos, and a vastly more polite response to BadEmpanada than he deserves.
Anark does (in my view) a well-cited and very polite refutation of Socialism4All’s response to one of his off-the-cuff videos, and a vastly more polite response to BadEmpanada than he deserves.
That feels like you’re fishing for some way to be aggreived by me explaining why I don’t find modern anarchism very convincing.
I’m not going to be derailed into arguing about stuff I didn’t write down.
I am unconvinced by anarchism because I don’t see evidence of it helping millions of people in the same way other ideological projects have, nor do I see how praxis anarchists engage in will lead to this outcome in reasonable time frames.
Anarchist praxis has and does help lots of people in smaller local scales and for short times. Stuff like communities organising after disasters is an awesome example of anarchism being successful in crisis and on small scales for small periods of time. Much more successful than other ideologies in these circumstances.
I don’t see where it addresses problems on the scale of millions and billions and centuries.
Okay sorry, I misread what you wrote.
The video answers these points in detail, in addition to the sources listed in the video. In particular, anarchist Spain organized on the scale of millions. Even in the very limited time that it was allowed to exist, it managed to do tremendous work implementing communism, and even after the republic fell to Franco, anarchists were resisting into the 60’s, and there are lots of anarchist projects in Spain today. Video has more details.
I do not claim the anarchist society in Spain to be without flaw or even without hierarchy, but I think it’s a demonstration that anarchism has merit.
If you don’t want to watch this whole-ass video I respect your time, it’s a chonky boi, but anarchists absolutely do have detailed answers for these questions.
I am not ignorant I am unconvinced, I have read bookchin, graeber, gelderloos, C Scott, anarchists against the wall, the breadbook, and a few books about the Spanish civil war. You’ve presumably read marx and not found his arguments about historical materialism convincing. You can engage with stuff and not adopt it wholeheartedly or be convinced of the positions.
The CNTFAI was quite remarkable but it still failed and hasn’t successfully been replicated. It also built extensively on top of catalan identity and practices that aren’t widespread and created a culture of solidarity that is distressingly rare. It was also a very different world.
If I had existed between 1800 and like ww2 I almost certainly would have been entirely convinced of the anarchist position. In the modern world and looking at what has shaken out I am just not.
Fair enough, I feel like I’m becoming the kind of condescending person I despise 💀
Just try keep in mind we’re all here because we’re interested in how to actually accomplish a post capitalist world. We learn by engaging with all information and trying to synthesis a correct way forward. The world keeps changing and ideologies must keep pace.
I think commies who dogmatically reject anarchist ideas and critiques are as foolish as anarchists doing the inverse. Perhaps moreso since anarchist tendancies are demonstrably part of the human condition and history.
It’s easy to get your hackles up when the inbox goes wild, especially when some people are rude. That doesn’t mean everyone disagreeing with you is an ornery wanker though.