I remember once I made a comment containing the word yakubian which was removed. I inferred from the modlog that yakubian and tricknology related jokes are not allowed. Why is that? This may look like a JAQ post but I am asking in good faith. I don’t feel oppressed for not being able to make these comments.
Edit: Can’t reply to comments individually but thanks for the replies, everyone. The reason is clear to me now.
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Here is a post with an explanation from a regular user, @Frank@hexbear.net, not a mod:
https://hexbear.net/post/464558
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Note: I’m just a white guy who read the Autobiography of Malcolm X when I was younger and did some additional reading. If I’ve got any details wrong or I’m wildly offbase please call me out. I have thrown around the Yakub bit myself. When a Hexbear called out the bit as racist I had to do some self-crit about it. Here’s a very short explainer to give some backstory on where the bit came from.
The very short version
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Yakub is a figure in Nation of Islam mythology derived from the Hebrew patriarch Jacob
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In NOI mythology Yakub used eugenics to create white people from ancient black people
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due to the horrible methods Yakub used and his evil intentions white people are incapable of empathy and compassion and can only do evil
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4Chan found out that the NOI exists a few years ago
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4Chan created the (CW: 4chan bullshit)
“We were kings” meme, usually with “we were kings” deliberately misspelled and accompanied by racist imagery -
This was inspired by both NOI beliefs and Hotep beliefs
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At some point the Chapos found out about the 4Chan meme and began ironically adopting the NOI position in response, referring to white people as Yakubian devils or variations of that
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It stuck around on Hexbear
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It’s not appropriate for white people to be making jokes about a black religious and political movement
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The NOI mythology was created during the 1930s when eugenics was a popular concept. It inverts contemporary white “race science”, essentially reversing the roles of white people and black people under a similar, religiously influenced psuedoscientific narrative.
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The NOI call themselves Muslims. Their religious beliefs are a very idiosyncratic mixture of Christian, Muslim, and original beliefs. They were not closely related to Sunni or Shi’a Islam
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When the founder of the NOI died in 1975 his son and successor disbanded the organization and re-formed it. The new organization went through several names before settling on the American Society of Muslims. The American Society of Muslims rejected most NOI beliefs, becoming much closer to mainstream Sunni Islam
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After the NOI was disbanded Louis Farrakhan and a splinter group formed a continuation of the NOI. This sect is notorious for it’s racial superiority ideology, anti-semitism, homophobia, and generally being reactionary jerks
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No one really likes the NOI. They have little mainstream support but continue to have some cultural influence
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Trivia - Louis Farrakhan probably ordered the assassination of el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz, also known as Malcolm X
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Their wacky beliefs(and also all the horrid shit) also lead a lot of white people to see them as ‘acceptable’ targets, which often veers into racism of some kind. not every yakub joke is racist of course it just creates an environment of mass mockery of specifically black americans in a way that inevitably leads to someone showing their brainworms
I remember it got banned a while back, I think because the NOI’s mythology exists as a specific black American reaction to the eugenics movement and compressing that into jokes was seen as punching down.
I am pretty sure I have seen many Yakub jokes or references to white people as Yakubian devils. I would assume that things that get banned or not allowed are due to the context in which it is used and whether it is playing into some other racist narrative or caricature of black liberation associated with NoI.
My comment was made two years ago so that could be a factor. It said “average yakubian” and the remove reason was “no yakub jokes please”.
Hmm, maybe that changed and it is frowned upon. Now that I think of it, it has been a while since I have seen such jokes that I am sure was on Hexbear. I might be thinking of memes I saw on ml and grad. But I have also been here longer than two years so I know there were Yakub jokes here in the past.
I can see why Yakub jokes are banned, but make no mistake that NOI, and other similar Black Nationalist groups (like Black Hebrew Israelites) are not allies. They are separatists and extremely hostile to all non-blacks, not just whites. They are not Socialists, they just want to build a strong Black Bourgeois class. During WWII, the Nation of Islam supported Japan ffs. Since they both shared seperatists beliefs, they also worked with the American Nazi Party and had talks with George Lincoln Rockwell. Currently the NOI seems to be aligned with Scientology.
IIRC chuds have not just laughed it off, but adopted some of it for their own memes, so we end up doing some of their dirty work for them.
The first time I heard of Yakub was via the fascist youtuber Mister Metokur, who used it in a video called
CW: racist faux AAVE, invidious link to chud video
Using invidious to avoid giving the fascist reuploader views, but let me know if I should omit the link entirely.
This same youtuber helped kick off gamergate.
First time I heard it… not sure really. but I when I hear it these lyrics pop into my head.
Plus I never boogaloo with Yakub We’re mixed with the tricks in a alphabet stew When I design a army I can reign. But never have more beef than Saddam Hussein.
I love that song.
Glad I’m not terminally online enough to understand what’s going on or what those words mean
My first experience with NoI was when I was invited to a Black Student Union meeting and the like, Secretary or Treasurer (can’t remember which it’s been like a decade) started talking to me about it after the meeting. Apparently they were trying to do some student outreach out in Oakland and ran into some them doing a fundraiser. I’ve met a couple of other in person but none of them would ever talk to me. I did meet a former member who went off about the ideology.
It’s not really an ‘online’ thing imo. If you hang out enough with black folks in the states you’ll probably encounter it eventually.
Edit: Looks like most people only know about it from online shit lol.
I’m a Spaniard so it’s just probably not a thing here at all
I heard the word “yakubian” for the first time on the bodega boys podcast years ago but on social media I really only see it in chud-adjacent spaces
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