I haven’t seen much arguing, it is unquestionably centralized and for profit. There truly is nothing unique about it.

I’m not an expert with the AT protocol but it really seems like what Dorsey and co have made is a super complicated protocol that (under specific conditions that cannot exist in the real world), has the potential to be federated in a meaningful way. That way they can steal all the talking points of the fediverse and muddy the meaning of words.

There are also a lot of people on Fedi who will seek out threads like these to explain how line 2532 of the AT protocol handbook explains how having 100% of users on a single server is actually decentralized but I’m sure they’re all authentic accounts.

“The decentralized web” …so… “the web”? Do they not realize literally anyone, even extremists, can make a Lemmy instance with spare parts and a wifi connection?

Left-wing extremists have been showing “substantial activity on Lemmygrad"

“Left wing extremists have been showing substantial activity on the website that was literally built for that type of content” What’s next? They “investigate” the amount of Trekkie related activity on StarTrek.website?

I think a far more interesting research subject is looking into the number of ostensibly non-extremist instances are hosting extremist content by virtue of federation.

Funny how the platform still runs on their unpaid labor, isn’t it?

Something I learned during the Vaxxhappened protest is just how many moderators are perfectly content to do these “jobs”. I found it honestly very sad how many of these what are ostensibly “community leaders” will happily acquiescence to the demands desires of the company as long as they can continue to do the job.

Don’t get me wrong I have a lot of sympathy for many of the moderators there who care deeply about their communities and providing a welcoming experience and feel stuck to Reddit, but until more of them grow a spine and idk, move to Lemmy or something like the top r/startrek and r/daystrominstaitute mods did (not me to be clear) then nothing of substance will change there. There is a seeming endless supply of people willing to clean up Reddit for free.

Exactly. Block and move on. Don’t twist yourself into knots appeasing people, focus on keeping the users you want happy.

Not trying to victim blame or anything, but I find it hard to believe that someone operating a low-moderation instance would truly expect people who don’t like moderation to stay away.

Don’t get me wrong I agree with your sentiment and dislike that behavior, but what I’m saying is that asking or expecting users not to go on witch hunts or to behave in a certain way is a fool’s errand that will always lead to burnout. A more sustainable approach for admins and mods is creating space for what they want to host and not trying to control what they don’t.

I will be dead in the cold cold ground before I ever type “/s”

I know it sounds insane but I swear to god BlueSky has astroturfing accounts on Lemmy. Every conversation (including yours here) about BlueSky is met with countless Sealions either saying it “will be federated soon” or asking “Why does federation matter?”

This is very cool! Thanks for sharing.

Everything now is rage-bait designed to get more clicks

IMO the greatest strength of the Fediverse is the increased number of mods and admins looking at everything. Don’t want rage bait? Join an instance that has rules against it.

Additional PSA to admins not running a “universal free speech” instance- if you see someone someone being obnoxious it’s probably annoying your users just as much as is is you. Don’t put the onus fully on users to curate their experience. The Fediverse needs our adults in the room!

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Healthy for Lemmy, totally catastrophic for Pixelfed.

I know this comment is satire (well done… I think) but I want you to it hurt me deep in my bones.

I’m clearly not paying enough for a therapist.

Then moderators make many stupid rules to try to increase quality and overmoderation takes hold

This is so true. One of the best decisions I made during my tenure as mod of /r/StarTrek was changing the rules to be spirt-based instead of language-based. People will literally try to lawyer their way around the language of any rule, and it leads to mod burnout when they are getting drawn into rules-debates when it’s obvious the person is just trying to get around the spirit of the community’s purpose.

For example we had a rule that was literally just “be nice”. There’s no wriggling around that because it’s not some legal text. If someone is ““concerned”” about a request to “be nice” or “be honest”, they are not someone we wanted to be around anyway. These are discussion communities, not civil society, not everyone has a right to participate in every single one of them.

As you said the beauty of the fediverse is that each instance can have it’s own preferred method of discussion.

99.99% of the time you see the phrase “power tripping admins” it means “Someone asked me to follow the rules”.

Urban dictionary says it’s a term that refers to when an undercover government agent fails to blend in with whoever they’re trying to blend in with.

Absolutely, if you’re seeing propaganda, it’s because it’s allowed on that instance. But the presence of propaganda has nothing to do if an account is an LLM or not.

Moderation on the Feviderse is different than on commercial platforms because it’s context-dependent instead of rules-dependent. That means that a user accout (bot or otherwise) that does not contribute to the spirit of a community will not be welcomed.

There is largely no incentive to run an LLM that is a constructive member of a community, bots are built to push an agenda, product, or exhibit generally disruptive behavior. Those things are unwelcome in spaces built for discussion. So mods/admins don’t need to know “how to identify a bot”, they need to know "how to identify unwanted behavior".

Good point but I will say even with immutable distros users are given a lot more control than Windows or Mac.

Yeah BlueSky is a solid side-step. It’s still for-profit and not federated but every BlueSky user is one not on X. And a lot of BlueSky’s userbase is comprised of particularly influential X users so them leaving is particularly harmful to the ecosystem.

I also think it’s funny how the journalists who repeat BlueSkys “decentralized” nonsense thought Mastodon was too weird and technical, and yet are promoting Pixelfed. Not complaining, but it is funny.