worldwide, cattle is. Together with humans, this adds up to about 95

So?

We’re not talking about what is the most consumed meat. Why would you being that up? Oh right, because you think there aren’t people who avoid industrially farmed meat, but aren’t actually vegan?

Your brother is making life more miserable for the remaining percentage who have a tough time holding on as

Lol whatever you’re smoking, I’d like some. You’re saying that my brother hunting deer is making your life more challenging? Honestly, are you on crack? Or did you just get so flustered by the answer?

Keeping the population in check is just an excuse that hunters use to justify their love for killing off animals.

I call you a moron, because you write things like that. You’re just plain wrong, and the worst part is that you know it, yet you keep trying to pretend like you don’t.

Often it takes a second or third shot for the final kill, letting the animal suffer in the mean time.

Shot many deer, have you? Rofl. First off, we started shooting when we were 12, and my brother never stopped. Going on 4-5 decades now for him. They always kill with the first shot, because it’s genuinely not that hard to hit the chest of a deer from 50-150 meters. Much easier than the target size on the test, for that exact purpose.

Because you don’t get a second shot at a deer, silly. Once the first one goes off, you won’t even have time to reload before they’re scattered off.

wyaah it’s jus an excuse wyaaaaah

Like I said, if no-one manages the deer, they will destroy the whole ecology.

https://www.audubon.org/magazine/surging-deer-populations-are-crisis-eastern-forests

Important habitats for many bird species ‘are in imminent danger of collapse,’ one expert warn

See what happens when you don’t manage them? And that’s in the US where you’ve got room for days. We’re talking about towns in Europe. So it’s not like it’s Yellowstone and you can just release wolves into the system, because they haven’t been around these parts for thousands of years. One vegan actually suggested that it’d somehow be better to actually do that. So he didn’t even care about killing the deer, he just wanted the deer to not be killed by people. Because we would choose being torn to bits by wolves while we’re still conscious instead of taking a bullet to the heart, right? Oh no, right, no-one would ever choose that, lol.

amount of available food is.

Yeah, because the amount of food available divided by population size equals what a single animal can potentially have. If it’s not enough, then you lower the number you’re dividing by, so that there’ll be more per animal. Because that’s how population control works.

They also feed the deer. It’s not just killing them. Otherwise it would be called “deer slaughter” and not “deer management”.

Deer you don’t have to get felling permits for, it’s so robust. But for elk/moose every hunting club gets a certain amount of felling permits based on the governments calculations for that year. So it’s a national animal managing effort, and it’s worked for us for thousands of years.

Thousands of years does matter, as ecologies can change vastly in a span of decades. For instance, if a place was a luscious wetland 100 years ago, it might not be now. And if you reintroduced beavers to a dessert, what do you think that would do? Fuck all because it’s not theie natural environment. Just like heavily populated towns in Europe are not a natural hunting habitat for a wolf.

Besides, human population density is only something of the last two centuries.

You’re thinking of North America, buddy. I’m talking central Europe. How would you manage the deer? Don’t kill them at all? Let the ecology be ruined for most of the species while there’s increased car crashes and farmers fields are producing jack shit because it’s all eaten by unmanaged wildlife.

But you do know that meat consumption requires more plants and associated animal harm than a vegan diet, right?

No. It doesn’t, unless you mean the type of meat consumption which is comprised of industrially farmed animals.

Me eating local vegetables grown here and getting my protein from hunted animals is way more sustainable and less harming than using global products like some B-vitamin supplements and avocados.

You can still have tasty meals without meat,

Who even implied you can’t? Who would think to put meat in everything? What are you even trying to say? It’s honestly so far from me that I can’t see it. Do you think that because I have meat in my diet, that I don’t have anything else? Your implications don’t even make sense unless you think I’m like an actual physical biological tiger who is managing to write on Lemmy. I’m not an obligate hyper carnivore. Humans are omnivores.

It is only for human pleasure.

See this is why people hate people like you. You’re not only wrong, you’re also preachy about being wrong.

Yoi won’t be able to admit that game meat is moral and that you can’t farm beans around the year when 9 months out of the year there’s minus temperatures outside.

So if I choose not to eat the deer, and instead by avocados and tropical fruits, I’m causing less harm? Never heard of a lil summat called “climate change”? Hmm? Pretty sure it’s causing quite a lot of dmg. But again, it’s so indirect that you don’t feel bad about it and that disconnect is enough for you. You just can’t see cause and effect I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like I said, you can’t answer even simple questions with your ludicrous black-and-white ideology. You don’t even answer the second example about wool and sheep. So I assume you just realise that your ideology actually is straight up wrong or you’re admitting that you’re for actually genociding entire species. Yeah, run run, I know you’re unable to process any of this or question your views.

Ba Dum Tss

You’d be surpised at some of the foods which contain gluten. Take a vegetarian pizza, with some seitan on it? That’s pure gluten.

And the nature of celiacs or non-celiac gluten sensitivity is such — annoyingly, that the symptoms take a while to show up, so it’s unlike say a proper food allergy or lactose intolerance, it’s much harder to actually reason about what you’ve eaten, when the symptoms can show up as late as several days afterwards.

But yeah, ofc that’s not everyone and if it’s not you it’s not you. It just was for me, and now I’m kinda preachy about people trying exclusion diets just to be sure.

A proper cleaning should do it. Make sure all the air holes are clean.

Have you ever tried avoiding gluten for a while?

I get horrible hangovers from having a few light beers, but once I starred avoiding gluten and dairy, I could drink a 3l box of wine in one or two sittings and not have a hangover in between.

Never used to be able to enjoy properly tannined wines. But with the proper diet, I fking love them.

You misspelled “shove”

“The excess”

Yeah no such thing.

Imagine actually asking women if they prefer to have their clitoral hood intact or not.

It’s biologically analogous, it’s the prepuce. Without it, your most sensitive part is constantly exposed to air and friction. Imagine what an eye would look like in 15 years if you were to cut someone’s eyelid off. It would dry and lose vision and just be overall horrible. The glans penis is mucosal as well, so there’d be similarities like keratinisation.

Have I ever wished someone had genitally mutilated me as a baby?

Again, black and white.

There’s no arguing a moron who keeps pretending it’s black and white. I’ll prove to you just how asinine your view is: my brother is a hunter. They cull roe deer to keep the population in check, since humans have been the apex predator in these parts for thousands of years.

If they didn’t cull them, the population would destroy the entire ecological system, which would lead to all the deer dying, eventually. Not to mention increased deer accidents on roads, killing more people.

So while you like to pretend that death is horrible and to be avoided at all costs if you can, but then end up advocating practices which would lead to suffering and death, just indirectly.

Ie if you’re put into a trolley problem, you’re the type to just stand there without pulling the lever which would save several life at the cost of one, because “murdering is wrong and I’d bw actively killing the other person myself”. Meaning that you put your own ideas and the sense of personality you have above the lives of others. Not just better as ideas, but you’d actually stand there watching the trolley roll over people you could’ve saved, but chose not to, so that you can just blame others.

And you talk of empathy, rofl. Maybe start by trying to understand your own thoughts/views.

Oh and eating the resulting meat from the culling is fucking delicious AND moral.

What would you do with sheep amd cows btw? They require people. Sheep have to be shorn. If you don’t shear your sheep, that’s tantamount to animal abuse. So we end up getting wool, but you don’t think it’s moral to use that. Why?

So if you think we can’t keep sheep or cows anymore, and they can’t be released into the wild because they are domesticated species. So then stop letting them breed at all, meaning that in a generation, they’d be completely gone.

So you end up advocating for genocide of entire species with this black and white view you have.

You know all the produce you eat is protected from pests and other animals? Your avocado isn’t “cruelty-free” dude, and eating avocados when they’re not even grown on the same continent, have them flown to you? But that’s moral again, because you don’t have to personally think about death you’re indirectly causing.

So yeah

You can’t see cause and effect, can you?

Yes, I know. I’m Finnish and we were a bit further in mobile infra than the rest of the world, no offense.

The joke works, but it works better when you don’t have to rely on actually committing to it.

Am not as of care about anyone. Am as of care just about a nihilistic friend, and can’t even care as much to actually make it fit,

What ever and everything heyooooo

Edith 1 we used to be is as in “we were”,

Beat me to it, dammit.

I mean dem’s just a room full of people who can’t correctly gauge anything to do with sound or sensation. I think OP’s version is better.

nice

Nice strawman.

What’s it like, living in a black and white world?

Changed my Mind Pale Ale

I suggest the “Prove Me Wrong — Pale Ale”. Or if you wanna be punny, “Brew Me Wrong”?

Red Foreman

Oh is that what he’s known as?

Never knew, always knew him by name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riku_Rantala

Phone left, keys right, wallet back or right.

Usually when I go outside I have a jacket so jacket pockets, left/right but same applies for trousers.

Wallet for backpacket only on comfortable places.

What do you mean America still does that?

I know Trumpism is real threat to trans people ans trans healthcare and rights have taken massive hits, but you’re not actually forced to undergo sterilisation as a trans person, are you?

I’m sure you’ve heard of this man even if you don’t remember it by name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Beatie he became pregnant in 2007.

Wouldn’t have happened here, because of the forced sterilisation.

You’ll probably hate this song then

Roxette - Milk And Toast And Honey

Could we not, please? We’re hopefully still - on average - scientifically literate enough to understand what ‘large surface area’ and ‘porous’ means.

Damn right.

We all know the correct term is “bag of holding”.