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Cake day: June 13th, 2023

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  • You are right. If you really own the car you should be able to use all of it, even if the manufacturer sold it to you under false performance claims.

    I was hung up on the fact that in my understanding the existing customer still has the same product they originally purchased that I missed the point of what ownership should really mean. I never agreed with this practice but I was missing the point by arguing the wrong argument in my previous comment (and in another comment chain).


  • I wanted to come back to your comment after I received some input and slept over it.

    Your point is that the customer, even though they bought the car under that impression that it has less horsepower, should now be able to unlock it for free since they own the car. If owning really means owning this should be possible and that is why you describe it as literal theft if the functionality is now being made available only through additional purchase.

    I fully agree with your point and was simply misunderstanding your comment.

    Thank you for the objective discussion. This helped me broaden my understanding of what ownership should be. I was very hung up on the point that existing customers still get what they payed for that I did not see the bigger picture what ownership should really mean.


  • I agree. This kind of practice has a lot of potential to make things worse for everyone.

    I may not have explained my point well. I was originally answering the comment that claimed theft by the manufacturer for, as I understood it, existing customers of the car. The comment read to me like the manufacturer slapped a lock on the engine after the fact, which is not the case here. Re-reading the comment now I think I simply misunderstood its meaning.


  • Thank you for the explanation regarding tune.

    Let me preface my response with this: I do not particularly agree with VWs practices here. It seems to be a way to make more money by offering a „service“ instead of having only a one-time purchase. So please don’t understand me as defending VW here.

    What I wanted to say with my premise is that the car that was bought is still the same car with the same lower horsepower that was advertised then. The car did not change and can be used in exactly the same way as when it was originally bought. Nothing was lost and no harm to the customer.

    If you do not want to support these practices (which I would definitely not!) and you own this car, you can simply chose to not pay them money and continue to use the car under the specs you had originally purchased it.



  • I do agree that owning something should mean you own it and can do with it as you like. This does not sit right with me either.

    However, the car that you bought had presumably all information available, including the horsepower without the software unlock. If you bought the car because this fulfilled your needs, are you now being robbed because there theoretically is more horsepower available? Honest question: Are car motors not always limited to specific power outputs to reach emission, efficiency, or safety targets?

    Again, I agree with the sentiment that owning something should mean really owning it, but I don’t think people are being robbed or lied to in this scenario.