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  • enkers@sh.itjust.workstoSocialism@lemmy.mlSo over liberals JFC
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    16 days ago

    I honestly fully sympathize with you. We have the same thing here. “Vote ABC - Anything But Conservative”, but actually that means just vote Liberal. And now that the Liberal party is floundering, I don’t think Liberals will be singing the same tune to strategically vote NDP (labour/social democrat). They’d rather burn the country to the ground, than to give anyone even a hair’s width left of centre any power.

    I get real irate about the “must vote dem or you’ll never get third party” because its gaslighting.

    Normally I’d agree with you, but if you guys get Trump, he’s going to do everything in his power to not leave after 4 years, 8 years, etc. You might not have the opportunity to vote 3rd party until he keels over, and he’s going to make that time hell for any non-white non-cis-male non-red-hat-wearer.


  • enkers@sh.itjust.workstoSocialism@lemmy.mlSo over liberals JFC
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    16 days ago

    I’ve been following US politics for years, so yeah, I know the drill. I live close enough that y’all’s politics directly effect us too, so it’s important to stay informed. (Hello from the great white north. :)

    I won’t argue about the ratchet effect. I totally agree. My concern is that if Trump wins, you could very well go from a 2 party system to a 1 party system, and lose any ability to ever vote 3rd party.

    I’d like it if you could do no fascism this election, but in lieu of that possibility I’d prefer the facism in 4-8 years, buying you guys some time to fix things, rather than the facism now and potentially in perpetuity.

    I’ve never felt the need to comment on your politics before now, but installing a wannabe dictator is where my line is I guess.


  • enkers@sh.itjust.workstoSocialism@lemmy.mlSo over liberals JFC
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    16 days ago

    With all do respect, I live somewhere where we actually have a viable 3rd and even fourth party candidate, who I’m happy to vote for. I’ve voted for the lesser evil in the past, and it always feels bad. I’m telling you this because I empathise with your position, and I agree that in theory to have viable 3rd parties, people like you do indeed need to vote for them.

    What scares the shit out of me, though, is that Trump is backed into a corner. His only choice to guarantee he doesn’t see the inside of a jail cell is to extend his term indefinitely. We all know he’d do it if he could, he’s said so himself.

    So the question, then, becomes: how much faith do you have in the guardrails of the system to stay a democracy? SCOTUS has already been stacked, and the recent presidential immunity scope increase is just waiting to be abused.

    Never in my life has your democracy been in such real peril, and, disappointingly, there is only one person you can vote for to defend it. I hope your ideals are worth risking falling directly into totalitarianism over.

    If you still can’t understand why this one is actually different, I’m not sure there’s much more I can say.