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  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldDogs and their eyes
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    16 days ago

    Exactly.

    A lot of armchair dog behaviourists will never get the chance to meet the dog they are talking about. And when teaching dog training, you have to tell owners to actually get to know their dog because they have their own individual expressions that are unique to them, or uniquely learned behaviours that you’ve accidentally reinforced

    I think many dogs display whale or moon eyes, which in exactly the situation you described. Dogs like to check things out without moving their heads. Additionally, if we find that cute, the dog will likely develop a superstition to do that more because it’s rewarding to get your attention.

    This is really obvious in puppies, who mostly display innate behaviours compared to the same dog as an adult who has learned many expressions that get them what they want.

    I think the biggest behaviour people misconstrue is licking. They do not notice the difference between hard licks and soft licks. Soft licks are friendly, or they taste delicious on your skin.

    A hard lick means, “Can you please stop what you are doing?” It’s a polite way of changing the subject. Many people misshandle their dogs and accidentally think the dog likes it because the dog licks them, so they do it more. It’s such a trap for human dog interactions because their way of saying stop is confused for asking for more.


  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldDogs and their eyes
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    16 days ago

    Many people say this is a half-moon eye or whale eye, and it is, yet there is probably not enough context to prove what it means in this photo.

    Like all dog body language, one signal is not always enough to determine a dog’s real emotions. This is why many dog body language signals are called meta-signals, which you can guess by their name: signals about signals. Multiple signals create a total that might be different from some of the individual signals being made.

    Imagine playing with a dog, tugging on a toy, and having them growl and show whale eye. Someone might say, “That dog has half a moon or a whale eye! They are upset!” Meanwhile, the dog’s body is loose, sneezing, its elbows are bent, and its tail lazily wags. When you stop tugging, they take your cue and stop tugging as well.

    Assign a value to their mood, where 0 is neutral, a negative number is a negative emotional expression like growling, whale eye or lip licking and a positive number is associated with positive body language. Let’s add that up: whale eye -1, growl -1, loose body +1, sneezing +1, elbows bent +1, tail wags +1, following along +1, tugging +1. That’s -2+6=4. The dog is very happily playing. Soon, you will learn that your dog’s growling in those situations is a play growl; it’s a very good thing to hear (never discourage any growl). You will also know that sequences of behaviours take into account this equation. For example, the dogs reversing roles after a minute is like a +5 in friendly interaction.

    Nobody does body language math exactly like that in their head, but it’s a good example of the multifaceted thinking that goes into interpreting how your dog feels. But people pretending they know everything about what a dog is doing in a static photo vs. a video showing the entire interaction over time just don’t have enough information. It’s great that people’s hearts bleed for these animals, but it’s a commentary on incomplete information.

    My dog makes whale eye before I throw the ball, jumps onto his bed, and makes the same expression before blasting off the bed in glee. I have no doubt the dog is voluntarily playing fetch and having a great time.




  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldGoing home
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    27 days ago

    If you want to keep paradoxically making the market more ripe for backyard breeders by spreading misinformation by all means, keep doing it.

    But people working to educate prospective dog owners to be responsible and prevent dogs from being abused to begin with will always be on the right side of history.



  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldGoing home
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    27 days ago

    Correct, there are enough dogs, except once the shelters are empty, people have no choice but to go to breeders. We’ve seen this happen before. That statement does not exemplify for lawmakers how to regulate an industry that is permanently a part of our society. It doesn’t tell buyers to consider their plans to get a dog seriously. It doesn’t encourage shelters and breeders to engage in ethical placement of their dogs.

    An increase in adoption from shelters is something we can all agree on, but a decrease on intake to shelters is where the homeless dog problem is taken on directly. Looking at half the equation only helps dogs half of the way. Dogs deserve the best lives and that includes preventing them from ending up in a shelter to begin with.

    This is about preventing dogs from going into shelters. Surely you don’t want more dogs in shelters, yet this rhetoric ignores all of that.


  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldGoing home
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    27 days ago

    There hasn’t been a single time that blanket generalizations and slurs against a demographic of people have ever led to positive social change. Given that everyone in this thread is a proponent for the ethical treatment of animals, let’s have a civilized conversation free of disgraceful attacks, please.

    This minor change in wording quantitatively teaches people what a responsible breeder is.

    Enter “adopt and shop responsibly” into any search engine, and it will list articles that educate buyers to try to adopt if they can. If they won’t, it will list the many standards that help them find a responsible breeder.

    A responsible breeder will: · Raise the puppies in a house, not a facility · Begin the socialization process and habituate them to people and children · Won’t overbreed the Dam. · Raise them until at least 8 weeks of age. · Vet checks the puppies and provides records of all vaccinations, deworming, and veterinary attention the puppy has received. · Maintain a clean and safe environment with proper food and water · Honesty and transparency will let you meet the Dam and the puppies where they are raised. · Ethical placement, vetting their clients, ensures the dog enters a home appropriate for their temperament and breed. · Contracts require clients to agree to spay or neuter the dog and return it to the breeder, not a shelter. · Genetic and health testing will ensure that the Dam and Sire don’t have genes that combine to create known genetic diseases and conditions. · Following best practice breed standards for health and ensuring the Sire and Dam are temperamentally suited for breeding the kinds of dogs they offer. · Warranties for the dog’s health up to 5 years for things like eyes, joints and common hereditary genetic issues.

    Nobody can argue that the above standards are worse than those of a backyard breeder, yet this is how people behave.

    If I apply the same logic that “if all dogs are adopted, there will no longer be dogs in shelters,” then “if all dogs come from responsible breeders that never relinquish dogs to shelters, there will no longer be dogs in shelters.” The black-and-white thinking that adopted dogs and responsibly bred dogs are somehow mutually exclusive is not true and is harmful.

    People WILL keep getting dogs from breeders until the end of time. Making sure those people act responsibly and only ever seek an ethical breeder is called harm reduction, and it keeps dogs out of shelters every day. Missing opportunities to educate people on seeking ethical breeders will funnel those people to backyard breeders instead. Holding breeders accountable to the above standards is much more effective than calling them bastards. Dogs deserve better than half measures and hate. They deserve to be treated with respect at all points in their life, and in every aspect of our society.


  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldGoing home
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    28 days ago

    Breeders will always exist, and so will their customers, as they always have. If it’s only financially viable for breeders to be held accountable for their actions, that’s another way of keeping dogs out of shelters. I’d rather live in a world where breeders always adopt their dogs back, always ensure they find a home instead of overwhelming shelters, charities and communities work together to make owning dogs more affordable so they don’t get relinquished during financial stress, AND shelters exist. In a world where shelters are the only hope for dogs, dogs are left behind.


  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldGoing home
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    28 days ago

    Nobody posted any slogans until you did. It’s perfectly reasonable to reply with civilized discourse.

    Unilaterally proposing a single solution to a complex societal issue while insulting dog owners is problematic and does more harm than good. “Adopt and shop responsibly” doesn’t offend anyone who bought a dog and might make someone ask, “What does it mean to shop responsibly?” instead of buying a dog on Craigslist. Dogs deserve more respect from people, which requires treating all people with more respect.


  • Kyle@lemmy.catoDogs@lemmy.worldGoing home
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    28 days ago

    “Adopt, don’t shop” can lead to more animal abuse. It doesn’t teach anyone about what a responsible breeder is if they are determined to buy, nor does it educate people on how to find a responsible shelter. Responsible breeders ensure none of the dogs go to a shelter. The message is disrespectful to responsible breeders and owners, and does nothing but alienate people who have had a dog or work to improve their health.

    More details: https://humanwords.cc/notes/a6wcmo9ct59f01eu

    Please say Adopt and shop responsibly instead.