Yeah man, but these are real people and not hypothetical worker drones in an internet comment. If they all get fired and don’t have money for food and rent, that’s really fucking bad. You can’t say “it’s always good to organize! Just take the risk of getting evicted from your apartment! Don’t let them boss you around!” And not expect the working class Joe in the factory to look at you like you’re the dumbest guy around

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Well… yeah I am. I just said I am. You can’t say “no, you’re actually talking about Finland” hahahah

Yeah, and im talking about unions in America. So get bent

Hey, aren’t you the guy who sends me links? 🥜

Quick, I’m an elderly lady experiencing racism in my apartment complex, god if only a nice young man could send me a link to the ACLU’s website! 🥜

More links please! 🥜

Help! I’m homeless and I need help! Oh god, if only some adult virgin could send me a link!!

More links! 🥜 more links! 🥜 it’s all you can do after all - more links! 🥜

I think you’re a very funny, very sad guy. It’s fun to really explore a type of person I see so much but can rarely grill like this. You’re all the same, really. All fluff, no will, no actual want to help people if it doesn’t jerk yourself off.

It’s like throwing peanuts at a monkey. Go ahead! Another link! 🥜 another link! 🥜

A sad life to live in denial that other people are better than you for doing the bare minimum.

You really are obsessed with links.

I’ll cut you a buck, I don’t actually live in Dunkirk New York. I am, however, actually a caseworker. And the size of the office is actually accurate to mine. Why do you think I’m so annoyed with dolts like you? I get five cranks a month who call me saying “hey uhm actually I figured out how you can help the homeless… just get em unionized!” And I’ll say “okay, do you know how to do that?” And they bat their eyelashes and say “well, uh, no, but you could probably, like, do it”.

That or they have a cabin that they want to donate to the homeless, but aw shit it turns out it was actually their brothers and they were just hoping it would work out. Or they call and they tell me that a bake sale would raise money and I say “great, I’d be happy to attend” and they say “oh uhm no I don’t actually bake… I was just hoping you guys would do it and I would just have, like, the idea”.

Most of them are well-meaning. But they’re also mostly just kind of sad, single people who want to feel useful but don’t have the capacity or the will to actually help anyone.

The breakdown is complete.

Have you ever actually helped anyone? Or has it always been links?

How quickly you’ve broken down completely onto saying “LMAO, YOURE MENTALLY ILL!” Ad nauseam When pressed on your practices as briefly as I have.

Sensitive.

I’d agree with this generally. Again, my issue largely have this idea of unions as being this magical, fantasy like interpretation of collective bargaining that magically and suddenly solved almost all employment related issues.

I’ve been in several unions. Some were very good. Others I feel were genuinely bad to operations and employees. The vast majority of them simply didn’t really do anything

Unions are great in theory! But the mob of already well paid computer scientists who rush up on Lemmy and act like they’re this magical solution other workers simply didn’t think of is obnoxious.

No, I just help in meaningful ways instead of sending links and trying to get them to switch to AT&T. It’s very funny that you genuinely cannot picture actually helping people past “sending links”, lmfao.

Like even in the links you don’t understand inside works lmfao.

Any anger I have towards you is very well placed. lol. You’re a louse. I encounter five people like you a month. People who actually help people make jokes about people like you.

I’m sure genuine non-performative empathy does come off as somewhat peculiar to you

Okay, so a bunch of people organize and then the boss fires all of them for doing so. That’s not exactly a perfect system leading towards better working conditions

I’ve got a good one for you. Why don’t you go down to your nearest children’s oncology ward and d you write a biiiiiig big big big check. Because people will see it, and they’ll think you’re so kind and cool! You might even think of yourself as a good person for a second there. Maybe they’ll throw you a party.

And then… you just let it bounce!! Who gives a shit! We both know you don’t give a fuck. You don’t gotta see any of this stuff through, just the vibes are good enough for ya. Hell, let the doctors or the kids or whoever the fuck do the nitty gritty, you did your part. 🫡

Do you think you’d like that?

It’s very hard here, especially depending on your circumstances - and even when a union is formed they’re often unable to really… get any meaningful progress. Depending on your particular employment, it’s effectively impossible - and it gets harder the poorer you are.

It’s why it’s sometimes frustrating to hear Americans tell other Americans (often less well off than they are) to “just form a Union!”. The leftist version of “pull yourself up by the bootstraps”