The animals you eat are specifically bred to be eaten, they would never be in the wild.

Being born to be fattened up and killed for profit/taste while living in shit conditions is not good in any way.

Eating meat is clearly unethical when we can easily thrive on plant based diets, needless violence is bad, nothing stupid about that.

Lions have no choice, we do.

Other people doing bad things doesn’t justify you doing bad things.

There’s protein in plant based cat food.

You didn’t answer the question, though - how do you feel about the morality of topsoil degradation, greenhouse emissions and biodiversity reduction caused by most vegan food alternatives?

I did; Most farm land is used for animal feed., so plant based food uses way less farm land and thus causes way less degradation and emissions.

If you consider the “capability to consider the consequences of one’s actions” as the ultimate method of determining if killing is OK or not… then you should be equally fine with mentally disturbed humans killing other humans. Are you?

Mentally disturbed humans who act violently are still humans and part of our pack, I think we should make sure they don’t hurt others.

Which conditions? The majority of farms - sure, the conditions are horrible and it’s exactly what I’m saying we should eliminate.

The conditions of “humane” treatment but still killing.

But there are modern farms that have conditions most of the human population would gladly sign up for.

You seriously think that humans would sign up to get needlessly killed for profit/taste…?

Precisely my point. That being said, there are a myriad of methods of killing an animal without being cruel.

How do you ethically kill someone who doesn’t need or want to die?

Come the fuck on buddy, this is clearly implying that vegans are bad.

And again, countering the points isn’t “bulldozing over marginalized voices”…

And that’s still a straw-man, vegans aren’t inherently pro capitalism, why do you bring this up?

You should try actual arguments if you wanna argue for something.

Cats are obligate carnivores in nature because of taurine, cat food doesn’t have taurine because the ingredients are shit so synthetic taurine is added to meet the cat’s nutritional needs.
The same synthetic taurine is also added to plant based cat food so it meets the cat’s nutriotional needs.
Dogs are omnivores like us and can easily thrive on a plant based diet.

Yes let’s involve morality, needless killing of animals is immoral.

Most farm land is used for animal feed.
only 20% of soy is used for direct human consumption, the rest is animal feed, so if you want less soy farming you should drop the animal products.

Excess is the evil here, not the ACT of consuming an animal. There are plenty of ways of giving animals excellent, pleasant lives and then ending these lives in a way that produces no fear, no trauma in them. Or even awareness of the fact.

No it’s the act that’s wrong, needlessly killing other beings when we don’t have to is clearly evil.
There is no way to ethically kill someone who doesn’t need or want to die.
You wouldn’t accept these condition for “human farms”.

We are all just life. Life starts, requires fuel, and then ends. Sometimes life kills other life in order to get the fuel, and that’s fine.

Why be cruel when we can easily avoid it?

Cats and dogs can thrive on a plant based diet, so yes that’s what we should feed them.

Wild animals don’t have the capability to consider the consequences of their actions or the possibility to not eat other animals, humans do.

Do you normally base your morals on what wild animals do?

There’s very few medical reasons to consume animal products and the few there are will hopefully have alternatives soon.
Bringing that up in the context of the general population going vegan is silly.

Cultural norms is not a good reason to engage in exploitation.

The cruelty is absolutely in the practice, killing others is wrong.
Non human animals are living and feeling beings just like you and I, they experience the world, they have likes and dislikes, they have best friends, they enjoy chilling in the sun.
Just like humans, other animals also have the right to not be needlessly killed.

You don’t think avoiding animal abuse is better than engaging in and funding animal abuse?

That’s like saying that you don’t care about what anyone does in the privacy of their own home while talking about domestic violence.

Yes we should let people do as they please… as long as it doesn’t hurt others.
Eating animals definitely hurts others.

Hunting is not necessary, humans killed all the natural predators because we didn’t want them attacking livestock.
If we stopped animal agriculture then natural predators could be allowed back.
And we can use non-violent population control methods.

Also, deer are straight up bred and released just so people can hunt them.

Hunting is needless killing and cruel because we can easily thrive without.

This just seems like a bunch of straw-man arguments?

There’s vegan fur and leather alternatives which aren’t just plastic.
Actual fur and leather are also terrible for the environment.

No vegans are yelling at indigenous hunters or saying that people of color should be exploited, using other people’s suffering as an excuse to hurt animals yourself is silly.

Have you ever actually seen a vegan go after indigenous people? Or have you just seen people complaining about nothing like in this tweet?

Why spend so much time and energy trying to undermine veganism for no good reason?
We’re simply asking you to not needlessly exploit animals.