They just like the sunlight because it’s warm

I mean…I get the message, but isn’t there…like some super heavy antisemitic shit going on with the depiction of both the Jewish people’s facial features?

We’re actually outputting more co2 than ever before. Backwards progress. Regress. And it’s only about to get much worse with this dipshit and his dipshit cohort coming back into power in the US.

Get real drunk and then go out and do your best to get laid—except don’t get hard and while she’s lying on the bed, watching you…there you go.

I dunno man. I think it’s much more likely we are seeing the product of the bots. You can’t expect every single site with comments to have propaganda bots. It takes a much smaller number of bots of bots to affect a much larger number of people. Someone has to program and deploy bots to places, the bots can’t just show up anywhere and everywhere there is political conversation

Do you guys think lemmy is a valuable enough target to deploy bot propaganda accounts? I’m not sure I think so.

It “may” be? What kind of cockamamie reporting is this

But you’re just not willing to understand what it was like for other people. Because, I completely understand your position. These things are both true. But…that’s exactly my point. The “correct” solution isn’t binary. The system may give you only binary choices, but the truth isn’t simply your vote for one or the other.

This is exactly what’s fucked up about it. For some, it was a vanity thing. “Well, I didn’t vote for it!” That type of thing. It’s not about the people, but about their own outward appearance of who they are based on their “correct” politics.

But seeing as how that is also true, it is also true that everything that’s already been happening, Palestinians slaughtered, starved, tortured, raped, just completely dehumanized. This has all been happening under a dem admin.

And what neither of us has touched on: The US is a massive, powerful machine running on money. I don’t think, even if we got the strongest pro-Palestinian voice available in office, that they would be able to slow this machine down. Which is the sad truth. We don’t get to vote for the true levers of power.

We should be uniting over that tragic, infuriating fact. Not fighting over “you’re responsible for this!” This type of shit is exactly how the democrat is the best choice we can make. And it makes very little material difference in the horrors we have to see and endure.

Can’t we agree on that?

Think of voting like signing your name to a candidate/party and what they’ve done/signaled they will do.

A lot of people can’t stomach a candidate who has been courting the neocons and softening their previous mildly progressive stances she took the last time dems had a primary and the progressives were showing up in numbers. Everyone got in line and the debates were all about M4A, erasing federally held student debt, raising the minimum wage, etc. Sanders single handedly dragged the party to the center (technically more “left” than they were) in 2016/2020 and the dems responded by po’mouthing like they cared about those issues, but then circled the wagons and kicked those voters to the curb.

The party has shown over and over again that they don’t give a shit about working class people, those of us that want real change. They want to maintain the status quo. Which is progressively more hostile capitalism.

Signing your name to that constant move rightward is unthinkable for some. And understandably so.

And that’s before we even discuss the ongoing genocide in Gaza funded and armed by the US. While this administrations representatives in the UN and in any official capacity constantly run defense for the genocide. For literal war criminals.

Plenty of people could not fathom putting their name on that tragedy.

We all get that trump is much worse. But everyone else needs to understand how sickening that shitty choice was for anyone with a conscience about what’s going on in Gaza, what’s going on with their neighbors. Signing on for more of the same was completely unthinkable for some. That has to be understandable if we are ever going to change things.

We’ve been on the road we’re being forced down now as long as I’ve been alive. And the road just keeps going forward. The dems’ proposal is “maintain the course.” The republicans’ was “mash the gas.”

Some people couldn’t stomach going any further down this road. That’s not making a choice to mash the gas. Because the world is not binary.

So the choice may have been one or the other, and you see it as “you basically voted for trump” because people couldn’t bring themselves vote for Kamala. To sign their name to a genocide. You’re boiling everything down to the two party mentality, which is exactly what has let us continue down this same fucking road. None of us want to continue this way. Telling us all to hold our noses to vote for Kamala while the entire party gave everyone left of them the finger…is not on us.

You’re not wrong, we all hate the fascist party. But you have to understand that a lot of people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for someone who was going to keep the regular ol’ genocide going while courting fuckin neocons. They looked to their left, said “fuck those people,” and tried to court republicans. And you’re blaming the people to the left who’ve been repeatedly told to go fuck themselves?

Yeah, the people I know and spoke to all just said “I didn’t even vote, I couldn’t stomach it.” And the people who didn’t vote because they were put off by the choices don’t really get reliably surveyed—if anything we might find out a small sample size’s opinions months down the road, but more leftist circles are so disillusioned from being asked to plug their ears, hold their nose and vote for neoliberalism with a heavy splash of neocon garnish thrown in that they don’t engage. We can’t keep ignoring that segment of people. Some of them went to vote third party, but when you’re talking about a 4% difference, a lot desperately needs to be said of anyone left of Bernie madoff being written off as “extreme left.”

I mean, this is true, but in most states you have the option to vote early, vote by mail. We can’t ignore the middle part of your statement: capitalism is getting more and more hostile and no one is offering us a solution. Just giving us differently colored badges to pin to our lapel while telling us the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Give us someone who is actually speaking to us and our needs and we’d have turnout like they wouldn’t believe. But both parties actively suppress anyone trying to do so. Which has been on display my entire life, but has definitely come into much sharper focus in the past 12 years.

You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.

The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.

They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.

Yeah, that’s definitely not what that meant.

That’s…

I’m not sure we’re all talking about the same thing. The Democratic Party has been playing to the “center” longer than any of us have been alive, while shunning, excommunicating, and often literally arresting anyone to the left. And all that accomplishes and has ever accomplished is the Overton window shifting further and further right. Kamala was running on bragging about hiring “the good” republicans while sidestepping the massive issues anyone even slightly progressive wanted to talk about (and what almost surely turned off a huge portion of voters), which is the ongoing genocide in Gaza. She finally said the day before the election that she would do “everything in her power to end the war,” which is still not nearly enough when discussing a fuckin genocide.

So many of the people I know are leftists. None of them voted for her because of it. Sure, the democrats and liberals I know did—my parents, for example. But they have voted democrat the entire time I’ve been alive. They are solid, reliable Dem voters. They’re not the people she needed to appeal to either—but keeping them was certainly more important than any mythical “centrist/swing” voter.

Everyone that was arrested for sitting in school buildings protesting the genocide, everyone who is sickened by what we’re seeing. Who couldn’t stomach voting for someone who didn’t feel the need to say it was a genocide that sickens them. THOSE are the people the dems gain when, like in 2020, things are so bad they hold their noses and increase turnout, and they’re the votes they lose when they hold office and maintain the genocidal status quo.

Are you sure? I can’t think of someone else more self deluded

You got your Among Us in my pizza!

You got your pizza all over my Among Us!

Wait a second…

Yeah, the crip walk and then the “blood” sign with their hands. Both.

Are you all too young to remember this already being a thing middle class white kids were already doing a couple decades ago?

Right? And because they speak French (though they could be Canadian, right…? Or any of the French colonies?), suddenly everything that’s happened to France/in France they must be on board with?

Pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online stabbed him.