No, no, you don’t have to explain that to me, I’m from Poland. It’s just that Basel is like, small and lacking skyscrapers even for me (aka “cozy”), so I always thought during my time there that it’s like, IDK, Perth - not really known world wide nor really associated as the profile picture of the country - and thus my confusion. Does that make sense?
third largest
Oh, I didn’t know that. I loved that place but I thought it’s like… you know, deep province small city.
Yes, but it’s like a small city?
This looks like Basel, is it Basel? Why photo of Basel for Switzerland?
I have a great idea.
Why don’t you all move to Russia?
Definitely outside of Moscow and Pitersburg. Preferably newly “liberated” territories.
I’m not saying Ukraine is good, or USA, or whatever, but I honestly wonder why you have not moved yet.
Cutlet is the best bad name for a cat. The cat will know it’s both your friend and a survival ration.
downplaying
Where am I doing that?
Sorry is China cutting people hand
This is literally whataboutism.
Was Leopold bloody years of terror vastly worse? Yes. Who is arguing with that? Is China benevolent and non exploitative? The African studies done by locals tend to say no.
the claim that the famine was intentional is extremely dubious at best.
I’m splitting this to a separate comment because it’s a different topic.
Who said that it was intentionally made famine with the goal of killing people? And where?
Are you hung on the original commenter calling it “mass murder” and your point is that it wasn’t premeditated?
The famine was the produce of a great number of different factors, inefficient and backward agricultural methods, bad weather, compound effects of WW2 + the Chinese civil war, mismanagement, trade embargoes, etc… But others could explain it better than I can.
Would the governing body of PRC in 1962 attributing the famine to government errors convince you otherwise? Would the Chinese government 20 years later confirming the same and reiterating it was the Mao policy that was faulty at the core convince you?
If not, can you imagine a fact that would convince you, that the responsibility for that famine is on the then Chinese government? What is it?
You’re talking about narrative, spin a story about tribunal, and then spin a story that I’m defensive. I’m not.
Insisting that the event happened the way you say it did without providing any rational or cause-effect relationship
Literally what the first commenter gave - there was a widespread famine in China, it’s caused by Mao agricultural policies.
What are you contesting here? There was no famine? Famine is the narrative? Or that it wasn’t caused by policies but by… What? Weather? Weather was good.
I don’t understand your point, please clarify it, in a way that isn’t just calling your interlocutors stupid or defensive.
It’s not paywalled. I think you didn’t even bother to click “read full article” or whatever the button name is. They might ask you to register witb a free account.
If you want to use other people opinions as an argument, I’m going to ask you for what you asked for - studies. Preferably published in journals, not essays by socials celebrities like Caitlin Johnstone, nor articles in Chinese newspapers, nor Reddit. And that’s because a deluge of weak sources is worthless - that’s how US propaganda works and enforces itself.
Extra points if the studies are not from China or it’s close Allies, just so that you have exactly the same requirements as the ones you asked for.
Can be paywalled.
Edit: I highly recommend you read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.
University of Limpopo, South Africa, on China neocolonising Africa - https://www.jstor.org/stable/27159668. Is that credible enough for you?
If not, is there a source that you would call credible - and if it exists, what is it?
Note: I hope I don’t come as aggressive, I was trying to be succinct.
I’m sorry, but why would that matter? We tend to judge people by their actions, not their intent, when it comes to mass deaths.
Right?
Right?
But… That’s just an argument that you don’t know the situation in NK. Not that the situation is anything, good or bad?
If I lie to you where the fire is, it does not mean the fire is cold.
Agreed but you can play only offline without missing on much
That’s such a bad take. Game companies are not allowed to have multiplayer that bypasses psn network.
The Sony and Nintendo have dominant positions in the game market for their consoles. The wallet garden must be breached for the consumer - why do you cate about company profits🙃
This wikipedia article lists all different studies why. The short answer is patriarchy - men have more occasion to commit crimes and it’s more acceptable from gender role point of view for men to do so.
It also list studies of crimes and offenses where women are found to be more often perpetrators than men, including a very comprehensive guide to domestic violence studies.
To sum it up - you’re both correct, men do more bullshit, women have similar capacity for it, we are expected to express the bullshit differently.
Rolicki published that book decades before he started selling himself for money to Republika. The critics were calling it not biography but hagiography of Gierek.
Hissy fit? Yeah, I don’t think highly of you if protesting stan wyjątkowy by leaving the party and being jobless for a few years you call a hissy fit. Please note that before that he was given orders from PRL (and not only for long work duration).
Heck, even recently he published a book giving a BJ to whole PRL (like 5 years ago).
So the wiki you quoted is the bible and any source saying otherwise is right-deviationism nationalism or otherwise anti socialist element. Or heresy.
factory can be picked up and moved across state lines
Exactly this.
what happened with these
We don’t know, USSR didn’t tell us.
Why
Wealth. Industry. Money.
Socialist Poland saw rapid economic development
Hahahaha. We would literally be better off getting the full restitution from Germany. Instead USSR took it too, and told us they will lend us about 15% of it to rebuild.
To be fair, some new technology from USSR was licensed to Poland, but it was expected that the goods will be paid as tribute (“Sold” to USSR at the value below production cost. Source: again, Rolicki pro-PRL historian).
and as such the right-wing nationalists fought against the Socialist system.
Poland was given to USSR as tribute. We never had a revolution, nor did we want to join USSR. We were broken by Nazis and then finished off by Ruskich. Unless you count everybody as right wing nationalist, Polish people had enough bad history with Russia to not want to be under them.
But this is pointless. To you I’m right wing nationalist or something, to me you’re romanticising USSR, inventing “facts” left and right. You quote a form of wikipedia made by ???, I quote left-wing pro-PRL historian who remembers and read official documents.
If the argument you’re making is that Poland wasn’t exploited by USSR, because USSR wasn’t exporting capital, but goods, then that’s a strawman at best. Export of goods by the prices dictated by USSR (at 10% of value at the time), in amounts dictated by USSR, isn’t an export of capital ? Imperialistic country is a country that has colonies. Colony is a territory exploited by the “owning” country. Trying to make distinctions in that paradigm is pointless at best, malicious at worst.
I pivoted the discussion to Poland (PRL) because the source you quoted blatantly LIED about it. If it’s blatantly lying about USSR, why would I trust anything else whitewashing other countries?
In 1956, when First Secretary of the Polish United Workers’ Party Gomułka was summoned to Moscow, he made some secret notes (that are now public) counting what infrastructure did Moscow stole (as in - took apart, moved to USSR) from Poland (by 1956!):
Source - Rolicki “Gierek”, pages 110-120 summarize Gomułka notes (Rolicki is a very pro-PRL historian).
That was my point, what I saw looked like a small, provincial polish city with an old town, tourists, relaxing people, etc.
I literally explained that in my last comment. I thought it was small, provincial city, full of medium sized buildings, full of tourists, that was so close to neighboring cities they shared trams. I spent a month there. I swam down the river, was forced to see removed street, had a public grill next to the river, went to see some overpriced art festival, stuff like that.
I remember that after we took a tram to German suburbs (or neighbouring city) there was a lot of police checking out Arabs and their documents.
Thank you though for the population size information. Does it take into consideration metropolitan area across three countries or only the Swiss part? I’m not arguing here, just curious.