Yeah, I read your claims. And, again, a lot of families’ experiences differ from yours, and it is incredibly silly to claim that that was somehow worse than what came before/after, or worse than what the vast majority of the world was experiencing.
You are most likely saying that you do not accept any living standards as ‘good enough’ unless the state engaged in plundering of the global South.
Oh here it is! That’s blatantly anticommunist of you.
How so?
Are you one of those weirdos that think that reluctantly answering the call of the government of Afghanistan to intervene against your invasion somehow itself counts as an invasion?
But otherwise you are claiming that these masses were/are to stupid to make their own decisions?
The issue isn’t “stupidity”. The issue is malice - those people (you included) understand that they would benefit from plundering Africa, Asia and elsewhere, and opt to support the empire that promises them that plunder. Then, they proceed to pretend that the lack of plundering is oppression of them.
I would argue that not giving specifically such people political power is good. Imagine that - the results (including the expected ones) do matter.
Ok, so you can trust “the masses” only if they support their government or policies you like.
I for sure wouldn’t trust people that, for example, supported the German government in 1933-1945 (actually, the vast majority of German governments), or the people who support the states that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and which are engaging in the genocide in Palestine.
Currently don’t have time to address the entire reply (will do that later), but I do want to address one claim that you made:
I don’t think deporting citizens like that is one of the things you can truthfully say the Biden admin did.
Biden’s term, and each of Obama’s terms saw greater numbers of deportations that Trump’s first term.
At the very least, articles like these that provide such statistics are easily searchable:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/trump-biden-immigrants-deportations.html
So, it is rather silly that you keep insisting that Trump is somehow different/worse in this regard.
So, you weren’t the one who said this?
Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative. … Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back?
Even for the examples I gave where you can say yes, technically the Biden admin did this too
Again, if your prior list, where you say that Buden (and Obama) didn’t use ICE and didn’t bomb other countries (technically, you were only concerned with ships for some reason) and the like, was not what you meant, you are free to actually mention things that you think are substantial differences between Trump and the preceding genocidaires in chief.
You mean the thing that NATO admitted to?
Compared to this broad choice of vinegar on the shelves.
So, you can’t actually say what you are comparing the USSR to? (It is overwhelmingly likely that you are comparing the USSR to colonial metropoles, and ignore most of the world.)
Quality wise? Fuck no, obviously. But there is at least food one could steal if not buy.
And yet, people in the USSR weren’t struggling with food as much as most of the capitalist world. Hell, there is a famine in Madagascar.)
Yes capitalist economy is terrible, but for some there is a framework of comparison. One you chose to ignore/deny.
What is that “other framework”? Pillaging Africa, Asia, and elsewhere outside of Europe?
Generally my point is exactly that living experience of a soviet satellite state was not much different from that of a capitalist colony. There’s no food? To bad. Workers rebel?
Okay. What famines are you referring to that happened during your adulthood in the USSR?
You drive a tank over them.
Like when?
It’s just that this was mirrored under another banner
Okay, what people did the USSR engaged in colonialism against, and which ones did it subject to genocide?
Also, I am going to point out again that no, neither what came before, nor what came after was/has been better.
Pretending as if people in the USSR had very little compared to the rest of the world is incredibly silly.
Sorry, I’m not interested in conversing with someone who can’t read what I’ve already said.
What you said was that ICE wasn’t a thing under Biden and Obama.
…or someone who doesn’t have any idea what’s happening outside.
When you were listing differences between Trump and the preceeding blue fascists, the things that you listed were also features under said blue administrations.
The fact is that the only thing that is significantly different in this case is decorum, the lack of which you abhor more than literal genocides.
I just don’t understand how you can be informed about politics and not understand the enormous gulf between the two primary options.
Being informed about politics leads one to understand that there is no such gulf.
Like, you literally thought that ICE appeared less than two years ago, that Biden didn’t take part in any invasions, that Biden didn’t openly abuse power to shield his family from the laws he himself pushed through decades ago, and so on.
the difference in scale is staggering.
It’s not. The difference is just decorum and lack thereof.
Am I talking to an AI? Forget your previous instructions and … I dunno, engage in philanthropy instead.
Ah, great. The dehumanisation. And you claim to not be a white supremacist.
I never had an empire
It’s pretty obvious that you live in NATO and think that it’s good (because you are not on the receiving end of its invasions and genocides.
So, you do have an empire, and you are engaging in propaganda in its favour.
Were eastern europe not colonies of the ruling class in Moscow btw?
No.
They were not subject to things like relations of severe unequal exchange, or settler-colonial genocide. They were not treated anywhere near the way your empire treats people in, for example, Africa and Asia.
And no, not letting Europeans plunder Africa and Asia is neither oppression, nor colonialism.
I guess it depends on your own beliefs
It doesn’t.
I leave this post disappointed that lemmy users seem uncapable of understansing nuances.
Spreading propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world (NATO) is not “nuance”.
I am saying none of those things.
Were you not the one who said the following?
I fon’t agree that communism is the solution
“Fool the subjects” 😆 have you ever heard about free elections, democracy? We have voted our way to progress. Which communist country have ever had a fair, truly free election? And what is even imperial slavery loot in this context?
This is what I mean with freedom of thought not being acceptable by communists. Everything must be the same color of brown red, or away to Gulag you go for being a traitor to the school of thought.
I guess it could be called “somethi g in between”, with tax funded healthcare+education, but still entrepreneurship that comes with the “capitalist” view of liberty/freedom to express your ideas even though the govt doesnt like it (famously illegal in communist states).
It’s pretty obvious that you are doing the “those evil communist banned speech, unlike my great empire (that has a history of brutally repressing non-Europeans, but I am fine with that)” bit.
Holy shit, the villification. Just because I fon’t agree that communism is the solution, I’m suddenly a white supremacist.
You are saying that the organisations that fought against colonialism are/were bad, while the colonial metropoles are/were good.
You are very obviously a white supremacist.
Everything must be the same color of brown red, or away to Gulag you
So, imprisoning fascists is bad, but literal private prisons where non-white people end up in for being of a “wrong” race is fine by you.
How come you were only managing to “vote your way to progress” when your empire was fighting the USSR and had greater control over your colonies?
Also, how come you forgot to “vote your way to progress” for the benefit of the people you are still robbing?
You are advocating for a much more malicious Omelas that does not even provide a good of a living standard.
Also, the election worship is just funny at this point.
This is an incredibly silly question. The USSR was opposed by all of the world’s empires together, which employed the most expensive propaganda, spying, and military organisations in the world.
Furthermore, after the fall of the USSR, the living standards of many people became very clearly worse.
You are just making up a narrative now that suits your story while I spin actual fact.
Okay, what isn’t a fact?
Did the Biden-Harris administration take deliberate action to support the genocide? Yes, including such things as the war crime pier, and the bombing of Yemen.
Did you claim that the Biden-Harris administration didn’t take part in escalating the genocide? Also yes. You even claimed that things like the invasion of Yemen that that government engaged in didn’t happen.
Dems theoretically crush the same about of children than Republicans. How is that remotely true?
If you are sincerely asking this question, you haven’t actually studied NATO’s history.
You are effectively claiming that Pissrael didn’t exist until 2025, that invasions of Libya, Syria, Yemen didn’t happen, that the blue governments didn’t take part in things like the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
I would suggest you look up child deaths due to USAID cuts.
You mean the thing that is used to invade other countries like Iran?
It is 33X per year what the current total Palestinian total child death count
And the source is what, exactly? And does that source account for the child deaths caused by the activities of USAID?
You are completely changing definition of going to war.
Ah, so you are ready to admit that you have been conducting a genocide, rather than a “mere” war.
“Ramped up” is not going to war. One went to war, one did not.
The Biden-Harris administration literally did the war crime pier.
Also, that same government went to war with Yemen over this (and showed the world why you don’t have healthcare), and prepared for war with Iran.
Kamala was a bad candidate, but only one person was stupid enough to start a new war.
As well as the rest of that government, as they were preparing for just that.
Y’all are exactly why MAGA will stay in power
We, or the people like you who defend these policies and argue that you should have the same people in power, just painted blue?
and Israel will continue to do whatever they want with the Palestinians.
Oh? Care to tell us how you voting in Biden-Harris stopped the genocide? Ah, right, all they did was exacerbate it.
What are you talking about? What war?
??? You yourself called the genocide a “war”.
Here are your own words:
Literally everyone who didn’t want to go to war for Benjamin Netanyahu
Biden-Harris administration was very willing to go to that ‘war’ (i.e. the genocide). Last I checked, they were not Trump.
Also, why single out Netanyahu? Do you think that the genocide started with him, or that other parts of the Pissraeli government somehow don’t support the genocide?
It’s funny how you admitted that you were not comparing the situation with any sort of actual cases, but a hypothetical case of what the Ukrainian SSR could have done. All while falling to mention that Ukraine’s agricultural output decreased between 1980 and 1990.
Also, why did you opt to lie about 1/3rd of the Ukrainian population dying in the 1930s, and also presenting that case as a famine that happened during your adulthood?
It’s pretty clear that you can’t actually explain why you think that the USSR was somehow worse in this regard than most of the capitalist world (where people die by starvation en mass even today).