Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?..

  • WhatSay@slrpnk.netEnglish
    1·
    3 hours ago

    I would don the black hood and swing the ax

    Tis messy work, but it’s gotta be done

  • NastyNative@mander.xyzEnglish
    3·
    6 hours ago

    We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.

    • SaltSong@startrek.websiteEnglish
      3·
      8 hours ago

      Provided they don’t touch freedom to not breed, and we don’t put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.

      But I don’t want kids, so it’s not much of a sacrifice.

    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      For me that would depend on whether it’s just my personal freedom to do so or all of humanity’s. I didn’t come to the hypothetical thought experiment question thread to not kill 8 billion fucking people.

  • Agent641@lemmy.world
    12·
    1 day ago

    The landlords.

    There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make

  • RBWells@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    How much better of a world? I’d be happy with half of what I have if it meant literally everyone else in the world could have that much, certainly. Move 4 more people into the house and give up half the money, half the clothes, my car, of course I would do that if it brought the same level of wealth to every single person, it would be not great at first but wow can you imagine how fast it would get better, if nobody was terribly poor? I’d bet that by the time I was old we’d personally be better off than before the split.

  • Majestic@lemmy.ml
    161·
    2 days ago

    Private property isn’t a sacrifice. I don’t own any.

    There’s a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.

    Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it’s often allowed, it’s when it’s a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.

    I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it’s an odd thing to mention.

    I’d be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I’d be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.

    • SaltSong@startrek.websiteEnglish
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      8 hours ago

      I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a lot of the trouble in the US was caused by people using their freedom to do terrible things to people, and to set the stage for more of the same.

          • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
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            7 hours ago

            We’re talking about a better world and giving up freedoms. Americans have given up a bunch of freedoms and have gotten a worse world because of it.

            • SaltSong@startrek.websiteEnglish
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              5 hours ago

              The one does not flow directly from the other. A better world requires some protecting from each other, which means giving up some freedoms. A system of complete and total freedom would not be good for most people.

              However, as Franken said, it is important not to give up essential freedoms. What freedoms, exactly, count as “essential” ones? Hard to say. We should have a thread to discuss it.

              • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
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                4 hours ago

                Yes, the freedom to murder people would not be good for most people, but you are taking away others’ freedoms when you do that. But, this thread is about private property, speech, starting a family, and thought. Maybe I should have been more specific in my original comment. A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing these freedoms. It would require giving up the freedom to take others’ freedoms away.

                Any freedom that means you have control over your own body and thoughts, I would consider an “essential” freedom, and those are the ones that I mean when I say a better world wouldn’t require giving up those freedoms. If you’re giving up your right to control your own body, you’re inviting a worse world.