Jfc how convenient to have a narrative that paints the US as a fundamentally pure society that is only violent when corrupted by foreign powers. The USA is an empire. It has always fucking done this, every president before this man has done this, none of it is surprising or exceptionally brutal for a fundamentally violent system.
I bet a bunch of people who read this and thought it wasn’t pro-imperialist propaganda hadn’t even thought of indigenous American nations as sovereign nations that USAmericans have invaded and inflicted genocide against for centuries. This isn’t even the fourth time the US has inflicted its interests on a Latin American country through military action.
So, what’s the point here? Whatever the evils of the US in the past, this is nonetheless a dangerous and frightening escalation, smashing a fragile world order. This message of, “oh, this is nothing new, the US has always been evil” comes across as a resounding call to complacency, and is a rhetorical technique widely used by the fascists.
You’re mistaken in almost every sentence here and it sounds like you’re unlearning some things. The USA is and always has been a fundamentally violent, extractive, sexist, racist, genocidal entity. How something like that reads as complacency to you can only be explained by you.
When I say Donald Trump is not exceptional, I am encouraging liberals who are new to criticising the US state to not resort to further pro-imperialist narratives that views state violence as caused by individual bad actors and not a system that cannot exist without blood.
I see that I am not mistaken, as you have just proved by lashing out based on clearly faulty assumptions about me. I am telling you how your words may appear to others. (At least one other reader took it that way.) If you don’t want feedback in order to reach an audience with your political goals, then I’ll say instead: Wow. Very edge. Much brave.
The people posting this want a West that is paralyzed by corruption, ineptitude, apathy, and guilt (demoralization), while China slowly takes the reigns as the world superpower for better or worse, probably worse. They are not interested in constructive thought or action from us because they are probably not Americans nor do they want a reformed US. They want you to be apathetic while you watch your home collapse around you, because we were evil anyway and we deserve it.
Apologetics for past US imperialism does not seem a productive strategy for criticizing present imperialist actions, nor preventing future imperialism.
No, it’s worse. They’re Americans that think this is a football game, and who have chosen the edgier team. They shitpost about Deng and Marx, so that makes them honourary Chinese, right? /s
The international laws and norms Trump has barged through had already been loosened by previous US administrations. The operation most closely resembles the 1990 invasion of Panama and forced surrender of its strongman, by the first Bush administration.
That was followed by the younger George Bush with the invasion of Iraq on false grounds, and his administration’s broad use of rendition of torture. Barack Obama failed to hold his predecessor’s administration to account and pursued his own legally questionable drone assassination campaign against suspected terrorists.
These are arguably discrete acts of hypocrisy by earlier presidents, who claimed exceptions from international laws in the pursuit of US interests, but mostly embraced global norms in the knowledge that the “rules-based system” overwhelmingly favoured America.
Jfc how convenient to have a narrative that paints the US as a fundamentally pure society that is only violent when corrupted by foreign powers. The USA is an empire. It has always fucking done this, every president before this man has done this, none of it is surprising or exceptionally brutal for a fundamentally violent system.
I bet a bunch of people who read this and thought it wasn’t pro-imperialist propaganda hadn’t even thought of indigenous American nations as sovereign nations that USAmericans have invaded and inflicted genocide against for centuries. This isn’t even the fourth time the US has inflicted its interests on a Latin American country through military action.
The USA is evil.
😡How could Putin do this! 😡
Putin is the best spy ever even as an infant in 1952 he was influencing the US to do imperialism.
Any chance there’s a higher rez version of this somewhere?
Will this do?
Edit: here’s another illustration
And here’s a 4k wallpaper with TONS of extra info
Fantastic! Thank you!
You’re very welcome 🙂
So, what’s the point here? Whatever the evils of the US in the past, this is nonetheless a dangerous and frightening escalation, smashing a fragile world order. This message of, “oh, this is nothing new, the US has always been evil” comes across as a resounding call to complacency, and is a rhetorical technique widely used by the fascists.
You’re mistaken in almost every sentence here and it sounds like you’re unlearning some things. The USA is and always has been a fundamentally violent, extractive, sexist, racist, genocidal entity. How something like that reads as complacency to you can only be explained by you.
When I say Donald Trump is not exceptional, I am encouraging liberals who are new to criticising the US state to not resort to further pro-imperialist narratives that views state violence as caused by individual bad actors and not a system that cannot exist without blood.
I see that I am not mistaken, as you have just proved by lashing out based on clearly faulty assumptions about me. I am telling you how your words may appear to others. (At least one other reader took it that way.) If you don’t want feedback in order to reach an audience with your political goals, then I’ll say instead: Wow. Very edge. Much brave.
Jesus. I don’t know what you expected me to feel from that. You don’t seem like a serious person.
The people posting this want a West that is paralyzed by corruption, ineptitude, apathy, and guilt (demoralization), while China slowly takes the reigns as the world superpower for better or worse, probably worse. They are not interested in constructive thought or action from us because they are probably not Americans nor do they want a reformed US. They want you to be apathetic while you watch your home collapse around you, because we were evil anyway and we deserve it.
Apologetics for past US imperialism does not seem a productive strategy for criticizing present imperialist actions, nor preventing future imperialism.
No, it’s worse. They’re Americans that think this is a football game, and who have chosen the edgier team. They shitpost about Deng and Marx, so that makes them honourary Chinese, right? /s
Nope. It’s just another warning that people will hand wave aside and ask what’s the point here and shoot the messenger.
If it’s a warning, and you’re actually trying to rally people, it doesn’t help to be snotty.
Being a wound collector is selfish. Notice how you are talking about the messenger and not the warning?
Lemmy likes to push a certain conspiratorial worldview about these things. That’s the point.
From the article,
The international laws and norms Trump has barged through had already been loosened by previous US administrations. The operation most closely resembles the 1990 invasion of Panama and forced surrender of its strongman, by the first Bush administration.
That was followed by the younger George Bush with the invasion of Iraq on false grounds, and his administration’s broad use of rendition of torture. Barack Obama failed to hold his predecessor’s administration to account and pursued his own legally questionable drone assassination campaign against suspected terrorists.
These are arguably discrete acts of hypocrisy by earlier presidents, who claimed exceptions from international laws in the pursuit of US interests, but mostly embraced global norms in the knowledge that the “rules-based system” overwhelmingly favoured America.