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The comment section there is unbearable to read. I totally get that Wayland is a growing protocol, and sometimes things aren’t implemented yet, but pretending like Xorg hasn’t had a whole mountain of issues of the past 40 years is hilarious
X11 was originally built when computer monitors were commonly monochrome. It’s quite amazing it has lasted this long.
Phrononix’s forum is known for having some of the most toxic individuals in the open-source ecosystem, with flame wars, pointless complaining and arguing happening usually starting within the first 10 comments.
I have no idea why or how it got so bad there specifically, but it’s bad. Though oddly enough, in-between all the negativity, will be developers of major systems, like AMD driver engineers, calmly talking with other big movers in the industry.
I guess it’s one of the few sites that is dedicated to reporting on such things, but boy howdy is it an odd mix of spiteful users and developer networking.
The reason it is so shit is that because there is NO moderation whatsoever (nor there is any care for having it, as there wouldn’t be cases like someone that had done ban evasion twice still being active on the forums otherwise). And I think I can safely say that it is just like the same as other social media:
More heated and stupid arguments = more page clicks and views = more ad revenue (Michael definitely inserts some ads into the forums, like come on now)
I have absolutely no regrets using adblockers on there (or internet-wide), and Michael has the GALL to call his subscription service “Premium”… unbeknownst to him that a golden coated excrement is in the end… still a piece of excrement. :V
Don’t be so sensitive, there is very few troll in this topic and lot of interesting remarks in both pros and cons.
I already force Wayland global for SDL games because the xwayland one has a horrible stutter while the native Wayland works flawlessly. Making it the default sounds reasonable to me. If specific programs don’t work with it, they can override it
Wayland is the future. It has already surpassed X11 in many ways. My favourite comment on Phoronix was “When is X11 getting HDR? I mean, it was released 40 years ago now.”
That said, the fact that this pull request came from Valve should carry some weight. Perhaps Wayland really is not ready for SDL.
I do not see why we need to break things unnecessarily as we transition. This is on the app side. Sticking with X11 for SDL ( for now ) does not harm the Wayland transition in any way. These applications will still work fine via Xwayland.
Sure, a major release like 3.0 seems like a good place to make the switch. In the end though, it is either ready or it is not. If the best path for SDL is to keep the default at X11 then so be it ( for now ).
Gnome has been running user space applications just fine for me on Wayland, Arch Linux.
There were some issues about 2 years ago. I have no complaints for last 12 months.
Wayland is today’s life for some.
- Steam gaming , proton and native
- visual studio code
- qemu running windows
- app interrupting work to relax eyes
- old mysql dashboard ui
Basically, I have not seen app specific issues for my user flow.
That’s fine, we don’t need to rush things
one of the main reasons the linux kernel is where it is today: “never break userspace”
unfortunately not every project keeps to this principle.
There are good reasons to break userspace sometimes. If we would never do so, we would stuck on X11 forever.
Linus would like to have a word with you
No, because the kernel has a different goal than most other software. Linux agrees that breaking the userspace from userspace is sometimes necessary.
