i love my country deeply but it doesnt love me in terms of my beliefs. i often consider leaving the NATO aligned world
My country is the international working class
If your nations is occupied or partitioned, then the national question is easy to answer. Your immediate contradiction in the way of socialist progress is national liberation.
im only asking a question. you got it all wrong if u dont think communists loved their countries sometimes
I think that was his opinion of his country
No that would be
I’m just joking brosef
Your screen name is literally a reference to the NATO intelligence sharing program that includes the CIA lol
That’s entirely a coincidence, just changed four-eyes to fourteen eyes because I have some weird obsession with the number
You’re 8 short
Hate to be that person but no, this is not correct. Long live to the heroes of the Soviet Union who gave their lives defending their homeland from fascism, long live the Cuban doctors who study all their lives to treat their compatriots.
You could say the Red Army GOATs didn’t die to protect the country, but their nation. The land, though important, is but irrelevant compared to the people.
Its the people. That’s what everything is about. That’s what everything has always been about.
I like to think every communist is motivated not by loyalty to the state (even if its the state of the workers), but to the workers themselves. The state is just a passing thing. A tiny blip in the history of humanity
You could argue it ultimately was for the people, but one of the most memorable and widely used slogans during the war was Za rodinu, za Stalina! literally meaning “For the Motherland, for Stalin!”.
Of course people don’t cry “for the state!” as in “for the apparatus of class repression and bureaucracy!”, but when they cry “for my country!” they’re not exclusively chanting “for my peoples and close ones!”
This definition is good because it makes dying for the US even worse, because there is no group of incurious unenlightened backwards “people” more unworthy of your self sacrifice.
I have no love for the nationalistic bourgeoisie project that I happened to be born into.
WHy the fuck would I be? - signed, an american
Treason is the most based crime
Loyalty to
is treason against life.Of course, being a traitor to the Great Satan is good and based, it’s just that I never signed up to be one of his minions. Which makes me not a traitor. I’m pleading not guilty if they come for me, much good that will do me.
I HATE my country and actively root for its obliteration. I’m an
so I’m not really a fan of any country, but there will always be a “special” place of HATE within my blackened heart for , and I’m instinctively distrustful of settlers until they show me reason to trust them.Death to
, and I hope the going hurts like hell for the supporters of
when this vile project collapses.Is your country loyal to you?
Ask not what you ought to do for your country, but what your country actually does for you and for the least of its citizens.
I swear loyalty only to the proletariat
Countries are just arbitrary borders drawn in blood. At the end of the day, we’re all just people living on the same planet.
You know, I keep looking for the line between Canada and the US and I just can’t find it! You’d think it would be easier to see, beginning to think it’s just made up.
My ancestors used to reside on that border, location depending on the time of year because that’s how they lived back then. Then the Europeans came and drew their line and my ancestors said “fuck it” and smuggled shit across said border because we had family on both sides.
Would you say this too about the doctors in Cuba enduring poverty conditions, blackouts, and studying hard all their lives to treat their compatriots even during the blockade, when they could move to another country and make literally 10 times as much while also helping patients there? I think this patriotism in Cuba is saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
Yes, I would. If not for the artificial hardship imposed mainly by US sanctions, they would not need to endure blackouts and poverty in addition to the natural hardship of studying hard for that position. I don’t think it is patriotism driving doctors anywhere on the planet, but rather a strong love for their neighbor.
So they should just move out of Cuba and treat people somewhere else and that would be equivalently moral?
That depends on if you’re talking about a theoretical world without borders or the world as it exists today.
In a theoretical world without borders, yes.
In the world as it exists today, it’s more complicated than that since the artificially-imposed hardships do still exist.
No, I’m talking about today
I answered that in a ninja edit.
You didn’t really answer, “it’s more complicated” is not an answer. You can say “I don’t have an answer” if you don’t, but I’d like to hear your opinion
fuck no lol what kind of loser shit is this
No lol
I’ll serve crack before I serve my country
The only two things I’m “loyal” to are the roughly 12 kilometer radius immediately surrounding my house, and the world in general. That is all: nothing more, nothing less. I only really care about the arbitrary lines on a world map that determine which holidays I get off work, to the extent that I’m circumstantially forced to by the practical needs of political organization in the face of millennia-old historical forces way beyond my control.
I would love to see my country become socialist, but for it to become so it must cease to be the country it is. It is vile, nationalistic, terroristic. So ultimately I am not loyal to it, but loyal to a future that may yet come to pass.
