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Google says “power users” can “still install” unverified apps. Here’s what that actually looks like:
Delve into System Settings, find About Phone
Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode
Dismiss scare screens about coercion
Enter your PIN
Restart the device
Wait 24 hours
Come back, dismiss more scare screens
Pick “allow temporarily” (7 days) or “allow indefinitely”
Confirm, again, that you understand “the risks”
Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing software on a device you own.
Worse: this flow runs entirely through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. Google can change it, tighten it, or kill it at any time, with no OS update required and no consent needed.
It won’t be a problem on a de-googled phone. Get it running LineageOS or GrapheneOS. Then install F-Droid (and probably Aurora store too). Some Google junk won’t work, but you’ll soon be more limited by having Google services on your phone than not having it.
Hardly the point though. For us this is a bother at most, but we can cope because we’re already doing our own thing and know what we want. Imagine trying to get your non tech-savvy friends to “sideload” (install) an app from outside the Play Store. Right now it’s not a big deal, so if they’re interested in the app, they’ll likely install it. But this amount of friction and scary warnings is way more likely to stop them.
If one looks at the supported devices pages (which I do regularly hoping that it supports mine) it’s easy to see that 99% of devices on the market simply can’t use them.
Yeah, it’s been getting harder as time goes on. It’s basically only pixels that are supported and still on the shelf.
MicroG too, though.
Worse - that 24 hour timer? You only have a short window of time once it finishes to continue, otherwise you have to wait another 24 hours.
This happened to me :(
Under the assumption this is a non negotiable thing…
They should at least let you alter the timer if you know you might not be able to
Like if in the post 24h window you know you’ll be busy, let you make it 28h instead of 24h
The worst part is for non tech savvy people.
Non-tech savvy people don’t even care, don’t even think about this, and don’t know anything about it.
No, some of they do care, but just have problems learning tech stuff or were excluded from digital education at the critical age, or have in general learning difficulties.
My mom wants to still be able to install and uninstall anything she wants on her phone, but she’s elder (and is neurodivergent, too, as me) and has difficulties understanding and learning about tech stuff.
You’re making a hasty generalization based on just a composition fallacy (some non tech savvy people don’t care at all, yes, but those are not all of the non tech savvy people).
You shouldn’t be conflating both things as if it were the same, and even if they were the same (which they’re NOT), that wouldn’t make your comment less bad. They’re still victims of the Big Tech propaganda and marketing and of their massive social, cultural and political influence campaigns.
Please, don’t be such a dickhead.
Show me one non-tech savvy person that is installing anything that isn’t in the Android Play Store already. And that person has to have come up with this on their own and it wasn’t somebody like you who maybe tech savvy showing them how to do this I’ve been in IT for 21 years and I can guarantee no one is doing that.
A non tech-savvy person may not be aware of the extent of digital surveillance and the rights they give up on their data unless someone who is aware tells them about it.
Even after becoming aware - the inconvenience of switching to something else forces them to stay in that ecosystem unless someone helps them out of it. Many of them care enough to want to stop or limit their exposure to big tech, but without someone tech savvy to help they won’t know where to start.
And that person has to have come up with this on their own
Why is this a requirement?
Plenty of people who would use privacy-respecting, free software that a tech-savvy friend likes and uses will now have to go through this process and probably decide it isn’t worth it.
… and are probably already happy with the factory installed apps.
i hadnt thought about it before but i just had the realization that im not even gonna be able to have 3rd party apps AND my banking app in the same phone (cuz it doesnt like developer options being enabled). uhm shit
I unlocked my phone’s bootloader. I’m on the oem OS, up to date, no root, just unlocked the bootloader. Now my device is “not certified” and a lot of apps that have no business caring about my “certification status” don’t work (like my phone operator app). That’s if the playstore lets me download it in the first place: “this app is not compatible with your device”
Latest Android update will hide developer options supposedly from apps. However, it’s on Android 17
This is why rooting is great and if you re worried about banking apps, KernelSU is very good at blocking detection and keyboxs for the hardware attestation get leaked weekly.
This is why antitrust law is great… or would be, if we fucking had it anymore!
Technological workarounds are not the same thing as actual solutions.
I don’t have hope for a solution.
https://github.com/tiann/KernelSU
To help translate KernelSU, we no longer accept translation contributions via Weblate. All translations are now handled using LLMs.
what???
also, what do you do with the leaked keyboxes? does kernelsu handle them too, or do you use a different tool for that?
I use play integrity fix and tricky store. Everytime it is revoked, I change it to an unrevoked one. KernelSu hide the root and modules.
The same procedure applies if you want to unlock the bootloader?
Edit: OK nvm it must be done to unlock the developer’s option
Also, no autoupdates!
We don’t hear this enough. Google doesn’t hear this enough.
I recently learned that this setting actually persist after migrating to another phone.
that would be only if you chose to backup and restore your android settings
Which is perfect for them to keep tying your profile information across the board in yet another way. Fuck that.
Do you create a new Google account every time you change phones? They’re already tying everything to you
I have 1 Google account use specifically for spammy shit. That account is tied to a completely fictional person and lives inside 1 chromium browser.
My phones and computers have never seen a Google account other than inside the VM that runs that browser.
I’ve just tried it. The UX is great and the downloads are faster than ever. It’s soo much better noww!
WTF, why is the download on the Fdroid front page still giving me 1.3.2?
Could be a gradual rollout.
Edit: saw it’s actually still a beta (and probably this is why it doesn’t show), here’s a link for the APK: https://f-droid.org/repo/org.fdroid.fdroid_2000050.apk
From the website apk download link?
I don’t know, could be. I just tried downloading and I’m getting the 1.x version too.
Yeah me too.
Edit: just like WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works said you’ll find it by searching f-droid on f-droid.org, scroll down to version 2.0 and download the apk.
Ah, right. It’s still tagged as beta, maybe that’s why it doesn’t appear in other places (like in the news article on their site).
Thanks for the tip.
Enable beta.
Ah, for me it was labeled “unstable updates.”
yea I can’t figure out how to update either.
I use droid-ify. It didn’t pop any updates for F-droid, but I updated it manually, since the 2.0 version is there.
I downloaded the apk directly from the website and it still installs 1.3.2 or whatnot, what am I doing wrong ?
try to browse it in the repo.
I got it ! thank you
open the app’s page and expand versions. the last one was just not marked recommended yet, in case there are serious bugs
Found it !
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.fdroid.fdroid/
I had to go through the Gitlab, browse to “client” (https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroidclient ), and scroll down to the readme section to find the link.
I think you can get to it also by searching “f-droid” inside f-droid
oh wow I can install f-droid from f-droid ? nooice
installupdate
UX is much better. I wouldn’t say it’s great. At all.
But I’m really happy to see big improvements! And I’m finding things I had no idea were on the “store” before at all. Which ultimately is the goal.
what things you don’t like?
Now it will take them another decade to update apk on their website to the newest version.
The new ui is excellent, much more approachable in my opinion
Wow. I was not expecting that big of a UI change upon updating F-Droid. It looks modern, I like it a lot!
I’ve been on neo store for a couple of years for the apps that have no APIs ready in git repos (for those, Obtainium is just the greatest). I tried the new F-Droid app, and it is way smoother than the last time I tried it, and the UI improvement is amazing. They still show you apps that haven’t been maintained for over a year up front, but that’s not a deal killer.
Still not as good as Neo Store or droid-ify.
Posted on Sep 24, 2026 by
F-DroidAfter more than a year of hard work, we are thrilled to announce the launch of F-Droid 2.0, a complete redesign of the official F-Droid app and the largest app update in 10 years.
For more than a decade, F-Droid has helped people discover and install free and open source Android apps. F-Droid 2.0 builds on that foundation with a modern interface, better app discovery, improved search, and a simpler experience that works well, whether you’re new to F-Droid or have been using it for years.
This isn’t just a visual refresh. The user experience was redesigned to integrate smoothly with current Android patterns, like Material Design, while keeping familiar F-Droid interactions in place. Key components were reworked and rewritten using Kotlin Compose, the standard toolkit these days, creating a foundation that will help us deliver improvements more quickly in the years ahead.
We are excited to begin rolling out F-Droid 2.0 to users over the coming weeks after 14 test releases.
What has changed?
One of our main goals for F-Droid 2.0 was to make it easier to discover, install, and maintain the apps you rely on. We simplified the main navigation into three core areas: Discover, Search and My Apps. Categories are now integrated into Discover, making it easier to browse and explore, while My Apps provides a central place to manage installed apps, updates, and potential issues. Settings and Nearby Swap are still only a tap away from the top bar, but no longer compete for space in the main navigation.
[… Continues at https://f-droid.org/en/2026/09/24/f-droid-2.0-a-new-chapter-for-android-freedom.html]
It has indeed gotten better more pleasing to look at.
Saw the post after I had an update on my e/OS and wanted ti check out the new look.
Sadly not one APP showed up. Empty shell. FDroid blank.
24 hours? Will check it tomorrow. Edit: solved itself, see next comment.
Solved itself. After the packages got updated (which somehow suddenly did by itself after several hours).
Hopefully now updates will go much smoother. I like the new design!
Looks quite good. I am not a fan of M3E in general, but the app is well-made.
So F-droid “evolves” to become F-droid Basic?
Do I need to delete F-Droid from my mobile and then install it again to get the latest F-Droid update ?
Go to the app page in F-Droid, scroll down to the bottom and expand versions. Clock 2.0 and install
Probably just need to wait. They didn’t roll out the new version through update channels yet, likely to have more users test it first.
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You can opt out of it by putting your phone in “developer mode” or by using something like LineageOS
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LineageOS is great I am using it right now, however do keep in mind that you do not need to root your phone in order to install LineageOS.
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You don’t need to root your phone, just unlock the bootloader. But yes you will need to hook it to a PC or maybe another phone to make it work. I did mine off a PC.
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