The “Tim Sweeney” is an asshole take, is the easiest way to spot the bottom tier of PC gamer.
Guy could have taken his Fortnite billions and built a compound in New Zealand to fuck off to, but instead he literally spent his fortune launching legal campaigns against the biggest monopolies in the world to break them up and actually change competition law going forward, both in Europe and the US, but PC gamers think he’s an asshole because they tried to use exclusive games to get their store off the ground.
All of which were 100% profit-driven, and conveniently ignoring Epic’s many sins not limited to the one I personally despise him the most for: killing the Linux and Mac builds of rocket league. Epic bought the studio and nuked the Linux version, no apology.
Edit:
I redact my earlier message, based on your other many comments in this thread I believe you are an Epic game store bot - or a corporate shill.
more competition and a level playing field will make it more profitable for smaller companies like Epic
which means that to you, it’s literally impossible for any company that’s not an anti-competitive monopoly to try and change competition law, since it will benefit them and then it’s not altruistic, right?
Because here’s the thing about breaking up monopolies and changing anti-trust law to enable more competition: it doesn’t really matter why you do it. It is an objective improvement to the world.
conveniently ignoring Epic’s many sins not limited to the one I personally despise him the most for: killing the Linux and Mac builds of rocket league. Epic bought the studio and nuked the Linux version, no apology.
And Rocket League is still alive and well and widely played to this day, including through Proton on Linux, something that can’t necessarily be said about many other games from its era. You’re acting like if they hadn’t bought Psyonix that Psyonix would still be alive and well and devoted to nothing but Rocket League to this day.
Someone has drunk the koolaid. What makes you think that anything Sweeney pushes would lead to fairer competition and not just skew things in favour of Epic?
He’s not different. He’s just playing the underdog.
You don’t have to “drink the koolaid”, you just have to understand how monopolies and anti-competitive markets always lead to abuse. In this specific case, that would look like Apple and Android’s unavoidable 30% cut of revenue for every single sale.
He does not try to destroy Linux, Epic literally just consistently makes the decision to not actively support a platform that’s probably not profitable for them to actually support, given that most other developers don’t support it either.
He was also the one leading the charge against the Windows Store when Microsoft launched it, out of fears that they would use it anti-competitively like Apple / Google do theirs (and this is long before the Epic store).
You thing he’s an asshole because his company has made decisions that inconvenient you personally, so you think he’s an asshole and all his motivations are thus dickish. Launching quixotic anti-trust campaigns against Apple and Google, the largest companies in the world (that literally dwarf Epic by orders of magnitude), was never a smart business decision, and never a campaign Epic was likely to win. It was a shot in a million to try and use their Fortnite fortune to actually enact meaningful change.
Yeah well, when everyone else goes “I don’t like two launchers on my PC so he’s the devil incarnate and everything he does is evil”, it’s hard to defend him without it looking like his account.
I’m not saying he’s even necessarily not an asshole, I don’t know him personally, I just know that things that PC gamers hate on him for pale in comparison to the things anti-trust campaigners praise him for.
Look dude, Gabe Newell and Tim Sweeney are capitalists just like anyone else with a big business. They make decisions based on profit, not on doing the most good. Breaking Terms of Service to get on the Apple store wasn’t a fucking holy war to save gamers from an evil corporation, it was one evil corporation taking a stab at another evil corporation because they wanted a cut of the profits.
Jesus, stop treating these people like they give a fuck about anything other than money. Valve is such a good example and people fucking flip out when you point out that nearly every positive thing they’ve ever done was actually forced on them due to legislation of some kind. Like being able to return games in a 2-hour play window? Pretty sure that was Australia that forced that one.
“Valve is a United States company with 2.2 million Australian accounts which received 21,124 tickets in the relevant period containing the word “refund” from consumers with Australian IP addresses,” Justice Edelman wrote in his judgement.
“Yet it had a culture by which it formed a view without Australian legal advice that it was not subject to Australian law, and it was content to proceed to trade with Australian consumers without that advice and with the view that even if advice had been obtained that Valve was required to comply with Australian law the advice might have been ignored.”
A court found in May that Steam’s website breached Australian Consumer Law because it stated consumers were not entitled to a refund and had no access to minimum quality guarantees.
Valve literally set up in Australia without ever once consulting Australian law, that’s the definition of being a sucky fucking business that’s more concerned with profit than, you know, following the law. They literally told gamers to go fuck themselves and that if they bought a game that was broken on release, they didn’t deserve a “minimum quality guarantee.”
Valve sucks, Epic sucks, they all suck because they’re all capitalists dude. In the end, the money matters, not the gamers, they’re just the source of the money. They only ever do genuinely good things when forced to by outside parties.
Look dude, Gabe Newell and Tim Sweeney are capitalists just like anyone else with a big business. They make decisions based on profit, not on doing the most good
Everyone who runs a big business has to understand how capitalism works, that does not mean they have to believe in it as a system, nor does it mean they have to make every decision to maximize profit at every possible step. Especially when the company is privately controlled.
Breaking Terms of Service to get on the Apple store wasn’t a fucking holy war to save gamers from an evil corporation, it was one evil corporation taking a stab at another evil corporation because they wanted a cut of the profits.
It was a shot in a million stab, and it was a stab that if landed, would give every single software developer more money, instead of Apple hoarding it for no reason.
Stop acting like since both sides are corporations, both of their arguments will lead to equally bad outcomes. This is literally just a false equivalency fallacy.
Valve sucks, Epic sucks, they all suck because they’re all capitalists dude. In the end, the money matters, not the gamers, they’re just the source of the money. They only ever do genuinely good things when forced to by outside parties.
Even if I accept your premise that it’s impossible that Tim Sweeney is a human being motivated by human emotions and desires, it still does not matter, because Epic’s crusade to break up monopolies will mean less money that Apple hoards for no reason, and more money going to the developers actually creating the software you use. It is an objectively better outcome.
There’s a reason that EU regulators agree with Epic, and it’s not because they’re motivated by Epic’s profit margins.
There’s a reason that EU regulators agree with Epic, and it’s not because they’re motivated by Epic’s profit margins.
No offense, but the EU regulators shouldn’t need Tim Sweeney making this clear to them. They should have done something about monopolization on their own a decade ago. It’s honestly really pathetic that it took a large company taking on another large company for them to even notice this was a problem. The Apple store has been a monopolization tactic since day one. Apple’s app store has been around since 2008. It’s 2024.
If we’re all waiting on corporations to save us, we’re fucked.
gluckgluckgasp thank you Mr.Sweeney gluck thank you for fighting for the lowly consumer, and their right to buy vbucks on the app store. Gluck You’re so brave and strong Gluck fighting and leading the charge against the machine gulp accepting money from tencent is so punk rock of you shlurp
The “Tim Sweeney” is an asshole take, is the easiest way to spot the bottom tier of PC gamer.
Guy could have taken his Fortnite billions and built a compound in New Zealand to fuck off to, but instead he literally spent his fortune launching legal campaigns against the biggest monopolies in the world to break them up and actually change competition law going forward, both in Europe and the US, but PC gamers think he’s an asshole because they tried to use exclusive games to get their store off the ground.
Get some perspective on the bigger picture.
All of which were 100% profit-driven, and conveniently ignoring Epic’s many sins not limited to the one I personally despise him the most for: killing the Linux and Mac builds of rocket league. Epic bought the studio and nuked the Linux version, no apology.
Edit: I redact my earlier message, based on your other many comments in this thread I believe you are an Epic game store bot - or a corporate shill.
You’re reasoning for that is:
which means that to you, it’s literally impossible for any company that’s not an anti-competitive monopoly to try and change competition law, since it will benefit them and then it’s not altruistic, right?
Because here’s the thing about breaking up monopolies and changing anti-trust law to enable more competition: it doesn’t really matter why you do it. It is an objective improvement to the world.
And Rocket League is still alive and well and widely played to this day, including through Proton on Linux, something that can’t necessarily be said about many other games from its era. You’re acting like if they hadn’t bought Psyonix that Psyonix would still be alive and well and devoted to nothing but Rocket League to this day.
Someone has drunk the koolaid. What makes you think that anything Sweeney pushes would lead to fairer competition and not just skew things in favour of Epic?
He’s not different. He’s just playing the underdog.
You don’t have to “drink the koolaid”, you just have to understand how monopolies and anti-competitive markets always lead to abuse. In this specific case, that would look like Apple and Android’s unavoidable 30% cut of revenue for every single sale.
We think he’s an asshole because it how he tries to destroy the thing that actually would prevent monopolies, Linux.
He’s his mad the monopolies aren’t his.
He does not try to destroy Linux, Epic literally just consistently makes the decision to not actively support a platform that’s probably not profitable for them to actually support, given that most other developers don’t support it either.
He was also the one leading the charge against the Windows Store when Microsoft launched it, out of fears that they would use it anti-competitively like Apple / Google do theirs (and this is long before the Epic store).
You thing he’s an asshole because his company has made decisions that inconvenient you personally, so you think he’s an asshole and all his motivations are thus dickish. Launching quixotic anti-trust campaigns against Apple and Google, the largest companies in the world (that literally dwarf Epic by orders of magnitude), was never a smart business decision, and never a campaign Epic was likely to win. It was a shot in a million to try and use their Fortnite fortune to actually enact meaningful change.
Found Tim Weenies Lemmy account.
Yeah well, when everyone else goes “I don’t like two launchers on my PC so he’s the devil incarnate and everything he does is evil”, it’s hard to defend him without it looking like his account.
I’m not saying he’s even necessarily not an asshole, I don’t know him personally, I just know that things that PC gamers hate on him for pale in comparison to the things anti-trust campaigners praise him for.
Look dude, Gabe Newell and Tim Sweeney are capitalists just like anyone else with a big business. They make decisions based on profit, not on doing the most good. Breaking Terms of Service to get on the Apple store wasn’t a fucking holy war to save gamers from an evil corporation, it was one evil corporation taking a stab at another evil corporation because they wanted a cut of the profits.
Jesus, stop treating these people like they give a fuck about anything other than money. Valve is such a good example and people fucking flip out when you point out that nearly every positive thing they’ve ever done was actually forced on them due to legislation of some kind. Like being able to return games in a 2-hour play window? Pretty sure that was Australia that forced that one.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/video-games-website-steam-fined-3-million-for-refusing-refunds-20161223-gthdux.html
Valve literally set up in Australia without ever once consulting Australian law, that’s the definition of being a sucky fucking business that’s more concerned with profit than, you know, following the law. They literally told gamers to go fuck themselves and that if they bought a game that was broken on release, they didn’t deserve a “minimum quality guarantee.”
Valve sucks, Epic sucks, they all suck because they’re all capitalists dude. In the end, the money matters, not the gamers, they’re just the source of the money. They only ever do genuinely good things when forced to by outside parties.
Everyone who runs a big business has to understand how capitalism works, that does not mean they have to believe in it as a system, nor does it mean they have to make every decision to maximize profit at every possible step. Especially when the company is privately controlled.
It was a shot in a million stab, and it was a stab that if landed, would give every single software developer more money, instead of Apple hoarding it for no reason.
Stop acting like since both sides are corporations, both of their arguments will lead to equally bad outcomes. This is literally just a false equivalency fallacy.
Even if I accept your premise that it’s impossible that Tim Sweeney is a human being motivated by human emotions and desires, it still does not matter, because Epic’s crusade to break up monopolies will mean less money that Apple hoards for no reason, and more money going to the developers actually creating the software you use. It is an objectively better outcome.
There’s a reason that EU regulators agree with Epic, and it’s not because they’re motivated by Epic’s profit margins.
No offense, but the EU regulators shouldn’t need Tim Sweeney making this clear to them. They should have done something about monopolization on their own a decade ago. It’s honestly really pathetic that it took a large company taking on another large company for them to even notice this was a problem. The Apple store has been a monopolization tactic since day one. Apple’s app store has been around since 2008. It’s 2024.
If we’re all waiting on corporations to save us, we’re fucked.
gluckgluck gasp thank you Mr.Sweeney gluck thank you for fighting for the lowly consumer, and their right to buy vbucks on the app store. Gluck You’re so brave and strong Gluck fighting and leading the charge against the machine gulp accepting money from tencent is so punk rock of you shlurp
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