That would require them to use nato funding to invade the US. Not even if they just called it slavery straight up would that happen.
These are the same people that can’t even hold Isreal accountable and you expect them to stop the US from hurting itself ? Considering this is not the first time the US has done this to it’s citizens/legal immigrants Europe would be better off holding the US at arms lenth and hoping it implodes
I sure hope so. It would be dumb to let the Neo Confederates control the whole of North America, because their tendrils would violate all the other nations that can be reached. The ocean is a barrier that will eventually fail.
The only true way to prevent Europe’s soil from being soaked with blood, is to commit to bleeding on American dirt.
They’re activelly destroying Science in the US, pretty much guaranteeing their own fatal weakening in the mid and long term if they did win and ended up controlling North America.
With the notable exception of the US ending up using nukes and causing the end of the World, there is no way Europe would lose more from merely letting present day America eat itself up than it would from militarily intervening in a civil war in the US, because even a win by the Neo Confederates would yield a weakened American in the short term (because of the destruction of a Civil War) and even more in the long term because of their anti-Science stance, and likely braindrain.
(People seriously underestimate the likelihood of rich countries regressing. To give you an example, Argentina used to be the 5th weathiest country in the World and look at them now. America absolutelly would end up regressing, FAST, if the MAGA crowd with the policies it is already practicing gained absolute power).
Not to say that many Americans who aren’t Neo Confederates wouldn’t deserve the help, just saying that pragmatically speaking letting America consume itself would be better for Europe than militarily intervening in an American civil war.
Now, if this was 40 or 50 years ago it would be different, but present day America isn’t a force for good and there being a EU gives Europe enough strength as a team to stand up by itself to powers like China and Russia if they try anything, so there both isn’t all that much good (for the World as a whole) in America to be worth saving and Europe doesn’t actually require American support.
I have to disagree about Europe standing aside and allowing North America fight itself. Ask yourself this: what if Fascism won?
While the ideological blindness would undoubtedly make a Dogey America less effective, totalitarianism has something that democratic countries lack: Unadulterated ambition and not giving a damn who has to suffer for it. I feel that your position isn’t much different from the mainstream Democrats in America, who use “compromise” to get the easiest fruits for themselves, and simply standing aside to let things progress to their conclusion.
This passive stance innately allows people of stronger intent to control nations. It would be much better if the EU was proactive, otherwise Dogey America may very well be dictating how Europeans live. Good people should be willing to impose their beliefs, even if it feels bad. The alternative is ceding control to humans who lack the empathy to care about others.
I was born in Portugal, a country which was back then under a Fascist Dictatorship.
It was a dirt poor European country were things were so bad that it got Food Aid from other countries.
Fortunatelly, there was a Revolution not long after I was born. In the 5 - 10 years after the Revolution quality of life and average wealth in my country went up dramatically.
In my own country, Fascism came to power when the Finance Minister during Republican years who saved the country from Financial Ruin, just captured power and made himself President - so yeah, starting from a very low point Fascism can improve things a bit for a while, but it doesn’t take that many years for it to turn the whole thing into shit and that’s what happenned in Portugal.
Fascists might sometimes cause a little Economic bump if they take over from a very low point (the same happenned with the Nazis in Germany), but it never lasts, and the ones in America are already going at it so ineptly and haphazardously that I bet there’s not going to be any Economic bump.
The Fascists are incompetent as fuck and seriously regressive, so they eventually drag down any nations they take over once the cummulative side effects of their actions have time to work through the system. As America is already in a post-Imperial decay stage, Fascism will just accelerate that decay.
I have no doubt that Dogey America will fall, eventually. What it comes down to, is how many people are ruined along the way?
That is why I think Europe and others should proactively work against Dogey America. It would help limit the amount of damage that is caused to everyone who isn’t fascist. How many decades should North America be a fascist stronghold?
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That would require them to use nato funding to invade the US. Not even if they just called it slavery straight up would that happen.
These are the same people that can’t even hold Isreal accountable and you expect them to stop the US from hurting itself ? Considering this is not the first time the US has done this to it’s citizens/legal immigrants Europe would be better off holding the US at arms lenth and hoping it implodes
The question is only posed if the US had a civil war: would NATO take a side?
I sure hope so. It would be dumb to let the Neo Confederates control the whole of North America, because their tendrils would violate all the other nations that can be reached. The ocean is a barrier that will eventually fail.
The only true way to prevent Europe’s soil from being soaked with blood, is to commit to bleeding on American dirt.
They’re activelly destroying Science in the US, pretty much guaranteeing their own fatal weakening in the mid and long term if they did win and ended up controlling North America.
With the notable exception of the US ending up using nukes and causing the end of the World, there is no way Europe would lose more from merely letting present day America eat itself up than it would from militarily intervening in a civil war in the US, because even a win by the Neo Confederates would yield a weakened American in the short term (because of the destruction of a Civil War) and even more in the long term because of their anti-Science stance, and likely braindrain.
(People seriously underestimate the likelihood of rich countries regressing. To give you an example, Argentina used to be the 5th weathiest country in the World and look at them now. America absolutelly would end up regressing, FAST, if the MAGA crowd with the policies it is already practicing gained absolute power).
Not to say that many Americans who aren’t Neo Confederates wouldn’t deserve the help, just saying that pragmatically speaking letting America consume itself would be better for Europe than militarily intervening in an American civil war.
Now, if this was 40 or 50 years ago it would be different, but present day America isn’t a force for good and there being a EU gives Europe enough strength as a team to stand up by itself to powers like China and Russia if they try anything, so there both isn’t all that much good (for the World as a whole) in America to be worth saving and Europe doesn’t actually require American support.
I have to disagree about Europe standing aside and allowing North America fight itself. Ask yourself this: what if Fascism won?
While the ideological blindness would undoubtedly make a Dogey America less effective, totalitarianism has something that democratic countries lack: Unadulterated ambition and not giving a damn who has to suffer for it. I feel that your position isn’t much different from the mainstream Democrats in America, who use “compromise” to get the easiest fruits for themselves, and simply standing aside to let things progress to their conclusion.
This passive stance innately allows people of stronger intent to control nations. It would be much better if the EU was proactive, otherwise Dogey America may very well be dictating how Europeans live. Good people should be willing to impose their beliefs, even if it feels bad. The alternative is ceding control to humans who lack the empathy to care about others.
I was born in Portugal, a country which was back then under a Fascist Dictatorship.
It was a dirt poor European country were things were so bad that it got Food Aid from other countries.
Fortunatelly, there was a Revolution not long after I was born. In the 5 - 10 years after the Revolution quality of life and average wealth in my country went up dramatically.
In my own country, Fascism came to power when the Finance Minister during Republican years who saved the country from Financial Ruin, just captured power and made himself President - so yeah, starting from a very low point Fascism can improve things a bit for a while, but it doesn’t take that many years for it to turn the whole thing into shit and that’s what happenned in Portugal.
Fascists might sometimes cause a little Economic bump if they take over from a very low point (the same happenned with the Nazis in Germany), but it never lasts, and the ones in America are already going at it so ineptly and haphazardously that I bet there’s not going to be any Economic bump.
The Fascists are incompetent as fuck and seriously regressive, so they eventually drag down any nations they take over once the cummulative side effects of their actions have time to work through the system. As America is already in a post-Imperial decay stage, Fascism will just accelerate that decay.
I have no doubt that Dogey America will fall, eventually. What it comes down to, is how many people are ruined along the way?
That is why I think Europe and others should proactively work against Dogey America. It would help limit the amount of damage that is caused to everyone who isn’t fascist. How many decades should North America be a fascist stronghold?
Oh, it’s totally fucked up and I do agree that Europe should proactively work against Dogey America.
My point is that Europe militarily intervening in an American Civil War doesn’t have enough upsides for Europe to offset the downsides.
No. It’d require them to use NATO funding to defend the rest of the world from us.
They didn’t stop gaza. You think we’ll go save Americans after they voted for genocide? Lmao enjoy your own medecine
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What a flagrantly dishonest way of framing what they said
No but other countries might want to take stock of what’s happening and weigh the pros and cons of increasing their defense spending.
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