I mean im guessing its because it may not be as profitable, or atleast at first, boycotts or directly just capitalism fucking everything up? i legit always imagine aliens seeing us still use coal while having DISCOVERED IN 1932

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    Its a type of energy that gets more expensive

    We choose to make it so. Constantly adding security features and not financing research. It could have gone down as well if we had pushed for small reactors, helped the EPR more, not shut down the research into plutonium as a fuel…

    Trash is not solved

    It is inert and a lot of it has the potential to be a future fuel. “Put it in a hole below the water table” is pretty close to a solution.

    A minor error can have a huge environmental impact, especially in densly populated areas like Europe

    It will be hard to be as impactful as coal or thermal engines, which are considered to be responsible for about 48 000 premature deaths yearly here in France. If nuclear energy allowed a country to decarbonate, it could “afford” a Chernobyl per year and still save lives.

    Plants need cooling, most use rivers and that does not mix well with rising temperatures, and have to be shut down in summer

    That’s simply not true. Every year journalists fall for it but here is a breakdown:

    • Every year some plants undergo planned maintenance in summer, not because it is too hot but because there is less consumption (winter heating is when the peak is)
    • Some plants do lower their outputs, the most they had to do it so far was by 0.2% of the total output of the country because of environmental regulations that basically forbid any heating of the water above certain temperatures.
    • It only touches plants that don’t have the iconic cooling towers. Plants with cooling towers do not warm rivers, in some case they may even cool them down.

    As long as there are liquid rivers, plants will be able to cool down. We will have much more serious problems before this becomes an issue.

    Nuclear plants are not flexible and can’t react to energy availability

    It can. As I am writing that, it is 1pm here, we are at 33GW of nuclear production, mostly because there is a lot of solar power and Germany is flooding us with electricity with negative price. At 4am, we were at 42GW of nuclear.

    Most fuel is produced by less reliable states.

    Minerals are fungible, therefore consumers go for the cheapest. It usually means countries where semi-slavery is the norm and environmental regulations are not a thing. They do tend to be shitty countries yes. Non-fossil mineral resources however are found pretty uniformly over the globe (having mountains helps). There are uranium mines in France that we shut down because of labor cost.

    No public backing

    That’s the main problem. The above lies have been repeated ad nauseam and local opposition means that opening new nuclear plants is basically impossible. This is a policy and opinion problem mostly.

    I am bitter about it. The sane plan was to go full nuclear in the 90s, double the electricity production, get rid of coal and thermal vehicles that way and slowly transition over 40 years into solar as we either get batteries costs down or develop space based solar power.

    Now we are getting the transition but it was oil-fueled instead of nuclear-fueled and this choice was made by people misled into believing they defended the environment by fighting nuclear power.

    Yes, wind/solar + batteries is the future (though I don’t think these are cost competitive with nuclear yet. Solar alone is, batteries not) but opting out of nuclear was a very costly option for the climate.

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      f nuclear energy allowed a country to decarbonate, it could “afford” a Chernobyl per year

      Or, you know, invest in renewables, better international grids and sodium-based storage instead of bring fine with turning part of your country into a wasteland…

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        It took 40 years to have solar energy and batteries up to the task, and we are not there yet. Yes, it could have been a choice to more massively invest in R&D in these fields, but you still need electricity while you shut down nuclear plants. Don’t do it unless you are ready to replace them with something else than coal. We are not there yet. Germany relies on France’s nuclear capabilities to import electricity at night.

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      That’s simply not true. Every year journalists fall for it

      Direct quote from Axpo:

      Eine übermäßige Erwärmung des bereits warmen Gewässers soll in heißen Sommerperioden verhindert werden, um Flora und Fauna nicht zusätzlich zu belasten

      Translation: Excessive warming of the already warm water should be prevented during hot summer periods so as not to put additional strain on flora and fauna

      Source: https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/atomkraftwerke-hitze-kuehlung-abgeschaltet-100.html

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        Yes, it is not a problem for the power plants, it is a problem for the fauna and it only impacts reactors without cooling towers (which I repeat, can actually cool down rivers). And I may add, this is a problem for the fauna caused in big part by the global warming which nuclear plants help prevent.

        From the (translated article)

        The measures were intended to protect the ecosystem of the Aare River and comply with strict environmental regulations.

        According to EDF, throttling or shutting down nuclear power plants during heat waves has led to an average reduction in annual electricity production of 0.3 percent since 2000.