This is good. This data will eventually help influence game developers to support Linux. It won’t happen over night, but we this trend continues, it’ll eventually start getting some attention.
Okay, I finally installed a new SSD yesterday so I could dual boot and put CachyOS on it. Played a few games and it worked surprisingly well.
But it did take quite a bit more doing than installing Windows. The USB drive wouldn’t boot when made with Rufus and I don’t quite get how to manage the games installed in Proton (like where is their virtual C: drive?).
I plan on migrating more of my stuff onto Linux in the coming days and will see if it can’t replace Windows eventually for me.
I tried setting up Windows 10 in a virtual machine recently and damn, what a miserable experience that was. “Please wait. We’re getting things ready . . . please wait . . . We’re getting things ready. Hey, you want Cortana? Tough shiat, we’re installing it anyway. Do you need an Office App? Well we’re going to install Live365, whether you like it or not. Also, we really want your email address. You don’t have a choice. Just give us your damn email address. And your phone number, too.”
Installing Linux: 15 minutes later: “You’re done. Enjoy.”
Microsoft Recall and Steam Deck and Proton are why.
I’ve been running Bazzite OS on my living room big screen gaming PC since May. It’s a really slick fedora-based distro that installs out of the box with Steam, proton, and graphics drivers ready-to-launch for gaming. It was really easy to use, and my games worked perfectly.
My high school age son got a new AMD proc/mb for his birthday, and I was surprised when he said he wanted to try dual booting Bazzite and Windows when we set it up. 2 weeks later, and he decided to kill the Windows boot and just use Bazzite full time. He has no linux experience and just figures it out.
Windows 11 is shit and Linux alternatives are prettier, easier to use, don’t shove AI down your throat, and don’t steal your data for profit. The time has come.
Your son is a badass.
Linux really is in a good place I’ve been on it for some months now. It feels like win 7, it doesn’t get in your way, it does what you want it to do when you want it to. And if you fuck something up its because you fucked it up… go fix it…
“Fixing it” has been a lot easier to do lately as well. Most distros set up a rollback feature of some kind these days.
Good on your son! Glad he sees the light. Windows is shittier and shittier all the time. I migrated away from it years ago. It’s absolute poison now.
I’m too old to tinker anymore. Bazzite has been a blessing. Rock solid.
I can’t wait for nvidia to fix the last few graphical glitches in steam big picture and game scope.
I have windows 11 and bazzite as dual boot. I haven’t moved over full time yet though. Mainly due to VR support and sailing…
Yeah, by a whole permille I bet.
It’s not so much about users switching, it’s more about the ones that will stick with it. And that we can’t know for a few years yet.
I’ve been running Linux on my desktop for more than 30 years, so I’ve switched for a while. And while I’d certainly like to see it become more commonplace, I’m not sure a few decimal points are really going to change anything. It’s nice that it’s making progress, of course, but all in all, it’s rather insignificant.
While it’s under 10, or more likely 15%, nobody will care about it.I’ve been using Arch for a little over a year, and it’s been fun. I’ve learned so much more about computers and Linux itself. I highly recommend trying out Linux and you can do it here: https://distrosea.com/ - It’s a website where you can try out different Linux distros in your web browser.
If all you do is game, outside of a few key games (Destiny 2, uhh,couple others) the experience on Linux is better for many folks.
The success of Steam Deck has helped a lot. Prior to that Linux ports tended to be very perfunctory and they weren’t tested or supported very well. I guess that now there are actual Linux gamers (via Steam Deck), that support has improved. That said, I think outside of Steam Deck and SteamOS, your experience of gaming is going to be extremely dependent on your GPU, driver support and a number of other factors. Things are far more likely to work well on Windows than they would for Linux.
I could drill down into the work that went into DXVK before Proton came about, enabling the Steam Deck, but that’s a boring history lesson. I will concede that newer bleeding edge hardware is far more likely to be plug and play on Windows, but one of the leading reasons I transitioned was Windows removing support for the audio chipset on the motherboard for my Ryzen 1600. Every time I rebooted, I’d have to unpack a zip file and reinstall the audio drivers, it was maddening.
In my experience (so, totally anecdotal), my hardware is stable longer on Linux than Windows.
Every time I rebooted, I’d have to unpack a zip file and reinstall the audio drivers,
The OS would autoremove them?!
Yeah, it was super fun. I tried reformatting, I bought a new drive and put new Windows on it and the same thing happened.
It’s probably Windows update “fixing” you drivers by updating them to the Windows version because it is newer. I had to turn off Windows driver updates, because it kept updating my already fully working 5.1 Dolby digital driver to a newer one that only has dual channel audio, and it also broke the optional optical out my sound card supports (and has installed).
My experience with Linux with Nvidia drivers was basically - hey execute this “.run” file and you get drivers. Okay that worked but then if the kernel updated, the drivers broke and had to be reinstalled. And if the dist upgraded to a new version then the drivers broke completely. And NVidia gave up providing drivers at all for their older GPUs and I was stuck with Noveau which is better than nothing but useless for gaming.
Conversely, some dists are supported by graphics manufacturers with proper packages but there is always that gap where the driver dependencies and the kernel dependencies are out of sync. Or the graphics driver only works on the last couple of dists and support disappears after that. Or you upgrade the dist and then discover there are no drivers for it yet.
I know it rankles some purists, but really there should be an long term, versioned ABI for graphics drivers on Linux. The kernel devs hate binary APIs but it should be in the interests of the likes of NVidia / AMD / Intel to develop and support one for their needs. i.e. a driver works across multiple versions of a kernel and multiple dists and makes it far less onerous for users to install drivers and for manufacturers to support them.
For flat games this is true, there is still work to be done for the VR side of things, even that has advanced by leaps and bounds in just the last 2 or 3 years
check out https://lvra.gitlab.io/ for information on linux VR
Yeah that’s the biggest reason I haven’t pulled the trigger on a VR set.
The pace of hardware for the last few years has been crazy rapid with almost zero thought given to non-windows OS’s. The people working on reverse engineering drivers for headsets get one operable just in time for it to be out of date.
Are there really people playing VR stuff regularly? I only know 2 people in my circles that bought equipment for it, and both of them got sick of it after a couple weeks.
I don’t know, what I’ve tried was fun for about 10 minutes, but that’s about all I could take before the headache starts.
Your brain acclimates to being in VR the more you play so the headaches should disappear after a few sessions.
I’d say the issue these days is there aren’t enough fresh VR titles coming out.
I have put over 9k hours of play time since i got my vive in 2018. usually play for about 2h at a stretch 7 times a week. VR has destroyed my ability to play flat games, I just can’t put more than a half hour into them these days. Usually load a game, look at the main menu, may start the game then in a few mins, turn it off.
I play mil sim, zombie shooter, vr mods of flat games I have enjoyed in the past like raft and The Forest.
When I first started there was a time i couldn’t play long but after a month 2h was no issue except for tiredness.
on a vr headset for everyday for the past 3 days. Each day around 4 to 5 hours
I do a lot more than that, so, hard pass.
I mean, yes, but I also do dev coding work, run AI models, produce audio and video content from my machine. But years ago I adopted a ‘No BS’ software approach and rid myself of software that was deliberately getting in my way so transitioning to a fully *Nix workflow wasn’t an issue for me.
If anyone working with aggressively anticonsumer software right now tried to switch, it’s a nightmare.
Is it all in your browser, because pretty much everything is a web app now.
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lol no
I never had a single issue so far. Actually, performamce is better on Linux every single time for me. I finally got rid of Windows since I have zero use for it. The only problem could be games with anti cheats.
I’m always surprised when I hear people claiming they work in IT and find Linux to be complicated. I just installed Fedora on two of my friends’ machines. Both are cluless about computers and they are doing perfectly fine. Now for basic tasks including gaming, a granny could use it without much issues if any.
When was the last time you tried Linux? If it has been a while, you might be surprised how it has changed recently. Proton made everything so much easier.
I’m not a technical person by the way; just a normal dude who uses Linux now.
lol anyone who works in IT and finds Linux too complicated should not work in IT. Then again, most people who work in IT should not. It’s complex, but all you need to do is learn. People who can’t learn more all the time don’t belong in a field where things change and improve all the time.
I got started with tech starting from when I was like 7 yo in 1980 and ended up in IT since it was a passion of mine and I have an affinity for it. Working as a professional, I saw - DAILY - morons in the field who were bungling every other task they had. They didn’t think the right way, they didn’t understand it, they didn’t love it, and screwed up every other thing they did. DAILY I saw this from techs whose work I was called in to fix after the fact.
I recently got a new work laptop with Windows 11. It’s just different enough from Windows 10 that it pisses me off to try to find the stuff I need. I end up hunting and grumbling and searching the web for answers to simple things.
If you’re going to do that anyway, just try Linux. It’s free and easy, and it doesn’t steal all your private data, sell it, and use that money to corrupt your government to steal your rights and give them to corporations.
It’s often easier for those that have few technical skills to learn new things. Simple because they need to unlearn so little. Experts have to put forth much greater effort to forget the “I have always done it this way” an “Why doesn’t this respond exactly the same way I’m used to.”
It takes far more effort to unlearn years of skills and replace them with new ones.
While This is true, AS long AS you weren’t a Windows power User and stick to Distros like Mint with cinnamon The experience will be almost the same and you dont have to relearn that much.
So non-experts have an easier time switching vs a Windows power user?
Depends on what you used to do with your PC. If you are used to writing power shell scripts for doing stuff on your PC, it might take a bit longer to adapt to Linux. If you mainly used GUIs to do small stuff it is much easier to adapt.
So in conclusion yes, as long as the non Power user has some technical knowledge and doesn’t get scared away, if the UI looks slightly different.
The things that keeps me coming back to Windows in my gaming rig is mostly VR, which I haven’t been able to get working on Bazzite.
Though I steam my games with Apollo/Moonlight to Mac’s and handhelds, so I rarely need to look at Windows at all.
I have VR running in Kubuntu using the sigh “official” nvidia drivers for my 4070ti super. Many of the games work from (I have over 100 in my library) ok to real good. It is just some of my peripherals have no drivers or software to configure them. I am no expert, but I might be able to assist you in your vr on nix issue, feel free to dm
Thanks, kind stranger, and I might take you up on that, in the days ahead.
I get that it won’t be turnkey like in Windows and that I’ll probably need a Windows partition (or a dedicated system) for some time longer.
Just so we are clear, you are able to play Steam PCVR games and use the SteamVR environments on your Kubuntu system?
Added monkey wrench, I just use ‘Virtual Desktop’ for streaming 100% of my PCVR content to a Quest 3 wirelessly. I assume handling the controllers and telemetry is all software for Steam and not needing obscure system calls or api’s that will have driver complications?
'Cause in hella ignorant. Lol.
I get that it won’t be turnkey like in Windows
actually, for my vive, the setup was EASIER than on windows as steam does all the heavy lifting and I didn’t need to install the vive software, and didn’t have to pair my controllers, room setup is simple same as windows.
Just so we are clear, you are able to play Steam PCVR games and use the SteamVR environments
I only do pcvr, and the steam overlay works for LOOKING at your desktop (sadly can’t interact with desktop through steam, it just closes, but there is an easy to install app that is kind of like Desktop+ that gives desktop control with a double press of a button on your controller) or using the steam launcher. I stopped using their environments (I had the basic and some Dr Who ones, some star wars ones like the cantina and millennium falcon) on my older pc cause the environment was adversely affecting performance(don’t think it was shutting off completely, I now simply use the empty space on the round grid with mountains in the distance and bring up my steam menu from the controller.
I just use ‘Virtual Desktop’ for streaming 100% of my PCVR content to a Quest 3 wirelessly
I never used VD and the people I know that do are only on windows.
I assume handling the controllers and telemetry is all software for Steam and not needing obscure system calls or api’s that will have driver complications?
I wish I had an answer for this one. Can quest use the steam backend like vive/index? if so should be good. I know vive and valve worked together on the software so are compatible that way. Like I said above wrt controllers they just worked with no pairing, both my index controllers and vive wands (I did a quick test for someone who was having issues with vive wands “stuck on the floor while in their hand”
Just make sure you use the steam installer from the steam site, not the flat pack or snap or whatever, they don’t have the correct screen lease thing (whatever it is called) and I used Kubuntu simply because when I started my journey KDE was the preferred DE, I personally prefer Gnome but VR dammit, and wayland was the better choice for VR x11 maybe better now for VR but wayland is the future from what I read.
Thanks for sharing all of this and I’ll have to take it for another spin.
Quest is a whole SOC, a beefy Snapdragon computer that has its own environment, and needs software to link it with the desktop housing SteamVR.
I’ll have to try Steam’s maybe platform and see if I can forego Virtual Desktop. Or at least dual boot
Yeah, that is fair. I personally don’t know much about VR so I wound’t know.
I admit it might be a a bit more complicated when it comes to make VR or things like a racing wheel work without having to dig around.
I had to move back to windows on my son’s computer because of VR… But we now have the quest 3 and most things I want to run just work on that now anyway. It’s for the kids really, it’s gives me a headache
But year vr on Linux doesn’t really work from what I can tell.
It’s probably because I’m using an NVIDIA card but I switched an SSD to arch Linux because that’s the only thing I could get to actually run a game and not a black or grey screen. Once I finally got steam and heroic launching games I will say only about 60% of the games I’ve tried work but that’s because I’m trying to keep up with some newer games and play Jedi Survivor, The Last of Us part 1 and the Mass effect Legendary Edition and half the time it won’t boot or has HDR issues or something. But all my indie or smaller games that are verified I’m surely installing and only playing them there.
I didn’t say it was complicated, I said it was fractured and incomplete and terrible for desktops, but I can see where your mind is going just by that statement
Fucking linux elitism rearing its ugly head.
Oh I’m so sorry that my pet OS is too tough for your poor mind to comprehend, maybe go read twenty or so manuals to get up to speed?
When was the last time you tried Linux?
2015 I tried Mint again and Manjaro because some users claimed it had great hardware detection and that’s been one of my biggest problems my entire time, and guess what? It didn’t work! Nothing I could do would get even OpenGL and linux native 3d games to run
I’m not a technical person by the way; just a normal dude who uses Linux now.
And now I know you’re a liar too. It’s really sad how quickly lemmy fell as compared to reddit. At least on reddit I got a few years before the forum sliders showed up
2015… I was there back then, and let me tell you, the distribution landscape is very different. You don’t have to rely on package managers to get your apps anymore because flatpaks and appimages are ubiquitous. Games went from having maybe a 50% chance to run with opengl to 98% running with vulkan ootb. Desktop environments have improved across the board with stuff like wayland and plenty of other good shit. And finally, linux itself has gotten much better hardware support. Seriously, you’re doing yourself and everyone else a disservice by using 2015 as a comparison point.
A decade ago you tried Linux and it was hard, try again or butt out. Windows has become even more of a privacy violating, data snorting, market manipulating whore in that time and it will not stop.
I’ll bet they roll out subscription based drivers before you make a legitimate atempt.
Dude, you need to chill. Why not take a break and unclench you jaw and fists for a while?
This conversation doesn’t deserve this level of blood pressure.
lol ya
except not, not at all
Saying that there is a gaming focused linux distro is like saying there’s a cliff-climbing focused dolphin.
I’m sure the delusional believe in it, but actual reality says otherwise.
Yeah see, based on your other comments on this post, I don’t feel obliged to take anything you say about Linux seriously
Do you think I posted this to somehow convince you of something? I don’t even know who the fuck you are
Name checks out
“FINISH HIM!”
I should be allowed to ban every hundredth person that replies like this, instead I’ll just block you
The only delusional one here is you. Yell all you want angry boy, it doesn’t change reality.
It’s better by every metric except anicheat, which is malware anyway.
Maybe depends on what distro you are using. There are ones dedicated for gaming.
Well I tried redhat ubuntu gentoo fedora knoppix mint arch MEPIS and even fucking slackware because apparently i am a masochist
And you will say ‘Oh but those are old distros, now they’re much betterer!’
Nope the weeks of frustration aren’t worth revisiting. You really don’t understand how much PTSD I got from the linux forums
Get a techie to set gaming distros for you. My brother installed Bazzite for me and troubleshoots. Speaking of which, Bazzite is meant to be for average users who are less literate on computers. I have rarely had issues on Bazzite unlike with other distros. Indeed, newer distros are better.
I understand. Linux can be daunting for us average Joes. Plenty of information i see on the internet are either outdated, or simply doesn’t work.
Bazzite feels so close to feature complete, but there are still corners I stub my toes on.
I have to care about whatever Wayland is, because RustDesk on Bazzite fights me (it’s my backup for remoting to fix a machine when moonlight or Steam Link is misbehaving), and I miss Steam PCVR hosting, but both of those are edge cases for most folks and I can forego on most systems.
Meanwhile, the lean, light, singularly focused environment is great and I really do like not having to bother with Windows. I never want Edge to barge in on my day again. I will never subscribe to OneDrive. I don’t want an AI companion modem Bonzai Buddy to “help” me remember anything, and memorize my SSN or Birthday along the way.
… us average joes…
Son I’ve been an IT admin since the early 90s
The great news is that all you really need to do to use bazzite is click on things in the gui so your skill set will be a perfect fit.
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Your unwarranted sarcasm is delicious, I mastered CLI before you were even born
I doubt the quality of your work.
Still, Bazzite is pretty much one of the best Gaming distros out there. All drivers are included with the installation (you select which Hardware you have before downloading) and the OS itself is immutable, so you don’t have to worry about damaging the OS in any way. The only downside is that it exclusively uses Flatpaks, which does have a few problems regarding interoperability between programs (e.g. Firefox doesn’t allow KeePassXC to interact with the KeePass add-on). However, I would recommend Flatpaks either way, since it adds better security and reliability, since you don’t have to worry about an update breaking programs.
However, if you don’t need that interoperability, I’d say there is little reason not to use it if you want to play games. And when a game doesn’t work, protondb usually gives enough hints to how to fix these issues. Generally, I had less issues with games on there compared to other distros (e.g. OpenSUSE).
I don’t think you want the targeted hate that will ensue when I try your suggestion and get stuck on some ridiculous thing with no solution for days.
Just like the other 12 times I tried some rando cultist’s ‘sure bet’ suggestion in a forum
You clearly see my disgust for the OS and entire community, yet still you proselytize. Do you not even get a tiny glimpse why most normal people can’t deal with your kind?
And yet, here we are. What are you even doing, responding to everyone on this group, if you just want to do work and just want to use Windows?
How is this informative, edifying or fun for you?
Your experience isn’t normal, I give fedora to the elderly and they have less problems than on windows. You also aren’t saying what any of your problems are, bad trolling.
Lemmy Linux copium is one of the strongest in the world.
How else are we going to achieve nuclear fission?
Don’t you mean fusion? Fission is separate and we’ve already achieved it a long time ago.
We’ve achieved fusion too. We just can’t extract more energy than we put into it yet.
Technically they can extract more now, it’s just a really really small amount.
We have made more than we put in to the reaction, but that’s a far cry from making more energy than we put into the reactor, or extracting any of that energy at all.
Oh, that makes sense.
Haha, yup! Brain bork moment. :)
Glad to be part of a trend, for a change!
Microsoft is already responding to the potential shift. The upcoming ROG Xbox Ally X handheld from Microsoft and ASUS will reportedly ship with a gaming-optimized version of Windows 11 with a dedicated Xbox UI and interface that aims to streamline the experience while boosting in-game performance and overall handheld efficiency.
Given how much Microsoft wants to shove AI tools every where in Windows, I don’t think this optimisation will make much of a difference.
MS optimization = maximize revenue streams = more ads = more spyware
I don’t believe a thing MS says is ever meant to improve the customer experience.
Exactly… People love talking optimization and efficiency without realizing that they are being fucked over lol
They are optimizing at your expense
Yeah and honestly, whatever optimization they promise — or deliver, for that matter — won’t sway me because it’s the company itself and the country where it is based that I’m against at this point. So, there’s no way I’m ever going to buy any MS handheld.
Given the popularity of the Steam Deck, the Xbox handheld would have to come free with the purchase of any Xbox exclusive game to stand a chance in that sphere, I think. The fact that it’s Win11 immediately turns me off and I say this as someone who still uses Windows.
lol, what is this ‘Xbox Exclusive Game’ you speak of, in 2025?
Microsoft has plenty of console exclusives, so they are on PlayStation and Switch but not Windows for whatever reason. Crash Team Racing Nitro Fueled is one I’m confused why they don’t trust their own platform with.
That said, they don’t trust their own Windows on ARM devices either and those should definitely be capable enough to run games that come to Switch.
A hypothetical one, of course
heheheh
And if we take this as an actual attempt at a better handheld experience, then this is just further proof that competition breeds better products for consumers.
Given how much Microsoft wants to enshitify its services. Windows 11 is proven to be no exception. They have no reason to stop at the Xbox brand. Even Microsoft games like their new flight sim has not escaped enshitification race to the bottom.
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Given how much Microsoft wants to shove AI tools every where in Windows, I don’t think this optimisation will make much of a difference.
AMD’s own Windows drivers also perform much worse in low power situations than the open source Linux drivers, whereas Windows game mode (or whatever it’ll be called) is about reducing background tasks that consume RAM. Obviously reducing RAM consumption is beneficial but it’s not the whole story.
The thing that confuses me is that Microsoft is no stranger to Linux. They use it in their data centers. It’s plainly obvious if you know what other offerings are doing.
Their entire front end stack for azure virtual machines is OpenStack. Some years back they integrated with OpenStack to allow it to manage hyper-v, but OpenStack can also natively manage KVM hypervisors, as it was originally designed to do, and also VMware.
Hell, I’d be surprised if there isn’t a Microsoft distro of Linux floating around (not available to the public… Not yet at least).
The people who seem to be pushing Microsoft, more than anyone, are game studios. Their garbage Anti cheat rootkits work best on Windows. So use Windows so they can low jack your PC.
https://github.com/microsoft/azurelinux is a thing, yes. Public and fully open source.
Well, would you look at that…
Microsoft is moving away from allowing anything to run with those low level permissions after that CrowdStrike incident where rogue security software bricked millions of Windows PCs, so that might take out kernel anticheat as collateral damage.
While I’d love to see this, they also walked that back following lobbying by Antivirus vendors. So shit will continue to roll
GOOD
It was written in the scrolls. The day prophezised for hundreds of years: the year of the linux desktop.
The prophecy is being fulfilled, and our prophet Gabe made it possible.
Valve put together a good product this time compared to the first steam machines push. Most games work without fuss and it’s priced well. They didn’t start the handheld PC market but they sort of Apple’ed it by taking something other companies had been doing and streamlined it enough to get mainstream copycats, Lenovo/Asus/etc. Plus SteamOS/bug picture looks a lot better today than 10 years ago. So proven market/platform that can again try to undercut Windows machines in price because Linux is free and leverages the work of open source developers
