lemmy.world had difficulty handling new account registration when I tried moving from Reddit in June 2023, so I tried to find/join other instances. People said “it doesn’t matter which instance you join.”
Oh it definitely mattered.
I just noticed the boner on the guy in panel 1.
I came here to say that! How did we not notice it? Was it added in later? Is this the Mandela Effect?!
I made the mistake of joining .ml 4 years ago, because I didn’t know. Then moved to world and now I’m here.
Fmhy ➡️ dbzer0 ➡️ cafe ➡️ piefed.ca
Definitively my best move was joining piefed, being able to actually block instances (unlike lemmy where you still get their posts via crossposts even if your instance defederated them) made it a little better in general.
allegedly, actually functional instance blocking is shipping in Lemmy soon.
I really doubt it or it will have some sort of way to still see their propaganda but anyway is too late, besides piefed isn’t developed by terrible people who organises trolls to brigade other instances/users who disagrees with their propaganda.
I rather move away from lemmy and really wish others would too.Too late, piefed took the crown already. I don’t want to be associated with assholes like Dessalines.
this thing’s adorable, what is that
It is by artist “sherchle”. I don’t think it is from a tv show or anything like that. Oh and the car is from pui pui Molcar. I thought you meant the turtle
pui pui Molcar
i want these
Similar to you ahah
ML -> World -> and now I’m using a few different instances to organise my feeds until voyager support for piefed is less buggy and they dev adds the custom feeds feature
Nice. I am pretty happy with mbin, as it kinda is an all in one thing. The only “negatives” are that not a lot of people use it and AFAIK you can’t crosspost. Also the top instance is application only.
Started from the bottom now we’re here. 🎶
Yup, same here, but now I’m testing the waters on PieFed. Maybe it’s
turtlesinstance hopping all the way down.
I’m only somewhat familiar with lemmy.ml. What are the other two?
lemmygrad.ml is just another lemmy instance, but smaller and more specifically tankie than lemmy.ml
hexbear.net is a bit of a funny one. It was its own thing that was created when /r/chapotraphouse on reddit got banned, so it developed quite a separate culture. It is now federated with some Fediverse instances, but when it first federated there was a pretty severe culture clash that led to a lot of defederation (like, even besides the political disagreements). It is theoretically left-unity instead of Marxist-Leninist but I don’t see a lot of evidence for that in practice
Hexbear is extremely tankie
It is, I just wanted to make the distinction between “tankie in practice but non-tankie leftism is technically acceptable” vs grad’s “so tankie that they literally put a tank on the instance icon”
It’s really not
The ones that they made after they started getting defederated from.
All three are Tankie instances, most of the posts in this community come from these three instances
You’ve got me wondering what the photo is in the original comic
Let me just save everyone a click:
Is the old guy a real person?
Looks like a dozen possible old white guys.
the link above has the answer:
On November 3rd, 2017, Facebook [1] user cartoonfartcat posted a four-panel webcomic of a man deciding not to have sex with a woman after noticing a picture of Thailand’s Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban on her dresser. As the man walks away outside, former Prime Minster Thaksin Shinawatra watches the man from his window.[2] The comic is a political cartoon about the Thai Political Crisis.[3] The post (shown below) received more than 1,700 shares, 400 comments and 10,000 reactions in a little over a month.
As the man walks away outside, former Prime Minster Thaksin Shinawatra watches the man from his window.
Never trust an AI summary.
Look at the window in the top-right of the bottom-right panel, he really is there
I missed it at first too lol
I don’t see it, these two look nothing alike.
I was distracted by the image!
(thank you for pointing it out)
The panels to me imply that the woman was intoxicated, and unable to give informed, sober consent. The man was going to sex her regardless of that, and instead of walking away because the woman was not able to give legitimate consent, he walked away because of a photo that may or not depict a personal preference.
I don’t get it
The person in the picture is a Thai politician.
Oh, haha. I thought it was Dick Cheney and his daughter.
At least the memed version makes sense.
Are these dipshits still a problem around here? Since I joined, I’ve blocked hundreds of communities, instances, and users. I don’t see them anymore
My first month on lemmy a mod on .ml sent me a death threat and banned me from a community for basically stating that given the option between Trump and Kamala I voted Kamala.
So that was a fun interaction
How many times did they use the word Capitalism and Liberal?
Don’t forget Imperialism!
Holy trinity of tankie attempts to save a losing argument
Yes
The ML admins are the developers and maintainers of Lemmy codebase and hosts of Join Lemmy. I have a feeling it’s gonna be real hard to get rid of them.
The solution is piefed
I’ve been procrastinating that for a while now, probably time to move over to piefed.world
You saying the enlightened centrists are planning a fascist counter revolution?
The irony of naming an instance .world and then forcing western hegemonial culture on it. Just like in the real world.
I agree that the West looks at the world with a western lens and that is ignorant. But why are you calling liberals fascist?
I didn‘t call anyone fascist directly, but rather described what they are doing in reality as fascist — in a facetious way, sure, but nonetheless the truth®.
IMO, enlightened centrists are not equal to liberals, as that kind of category describes people that reject any kind of extreme position, while also laying claim on what is and what isn‘t the right thing to do or think and where these borders are to be drawn, all while being unable to break through their own biases and misconceptions … and always (!) end up personally attacking their opponent or argue against strawmen.
Autocratic extremists in their own right. Destructive overall and enablers of fascist thought and therefore enablers of fascist realities.
Here, in this very thread, we have folks, that are very likely economically oppressed themselves, but also refuse to actually educate themselves or can‘t stand to get educated by people that genuinely try to improve society. They rather ridicule the people, that use words like „capitalism“ or „imperialism“, as if those words weren‘t real things that shape the world we all live in, trying to „win“ in the name of their perspective, while also ignoring half the equation. Or that guy that downright wants to „nuke all leftist communities“. But surely, no fascists in sight.
Link these comments
@metallic_substance@lemmy.world calls the whole instance, or rather their users dipshits, has no argument, only ad hominem.
@finitebanjo@lemmy.world offers insults involving cocks, not sure what‘s up with that, but that sure is another ad hominem without any argument.
@finitebanjo@lemmy.world just doesn‘t take reality seriously, but thinks he‘s being clever by making fun of people that argue against capitalism.
@gabbath@lemmy.world has similar delusions about imperialism
Both are unserious people that have not a single original thing to offer, except ridicule towards more serious people.
I absolutely misread the comment about „the best way to nuke any lefty community“ by @Gsus4@feddit.nl and therefore edited it out of my original comment.
Anyway, the observation is, that this community is oozing with toxic behaviour, circlejerking on another group of people that they obviously don‘t even try to understand, but are afraid of and want to exlude or „get rid off“. Void of any arguments. This shit is what ignorant people do.
@goat@sh.itjust.works (you, mod) stays superficial in their reaction on the content itself only to construct a strawman about a group that wasn‘t mentioned with an argument that wasn‘t made. — but, this might have been an honest interpretation, alright.
Btw, goat, what is „ignorance“ in its political manifestation, if not the foundation of fascism? We should do better. You should do better. This place is a disgrace to any kind of intellectual discourse and the fediverse as a whole. You‘re modding a community driven by blind hatred.
I like how you’re calling people who post a pig shitting on itself as a “more serious people”
But how do any of these comments support your claim that liberalism is fascism? And how are they ignorant exactly? Saying that ignorance creates fascism is extremely vague, that can mean anything.
If you want a more serious discussion, we can certainly have one for a bit, you can start
I can’t hardly understand what you’re saying with all of that dictator cock in your mouth.
you’re definitely a .world user
I have the suspicion, that you are indeed actually unable to understand. I‘m so sorry. But you seem to know what a cock is, nice! Guess that‘s something, you go!
I just recently got temp banned for .ml again for saying I didn’t like Stalin because of the purges and gulags and cult of personality dictatorship, so make of that what you will. Either that or just using the word tankie is treated as hate speech because it was the infamous “Reason: Rule 1” with no further context. I was actually having an enjoyable and possibly productive conversation about communist theory too, but apparently that’s not allowed.
We need block lists that are based on data gathered from user block lists
Yes, please! What a great idea
Good luck getting it approved by upstream Lemmy
They are tankies
How do you guys get so many negative interactions? I’ve been on Lemmy for more than a year and I haven’t blocked any community, instance or user. It’s still enjoyable. I see the occasional Russia / China shill who gets downvoted to hell and that’s it.
Piefed <3
If I remember correctly, I had joined at a similar time. Not this account though, this one is fairly new. But I ended up going for Blahaj Zone and Beehaw. I went back and forth between the two, but in the end I think both of these were the right choice. The biggest issue I have with the latter is… It’s missing some pretty big federation, like Lemmy.World notably, and that’s kind of an issue for me. It makes the “all” timeline really quiet and kind of dull.
In the end, I think Blahaj is my home for many reasons, but I do remember Beehaw being quite recommended back then. It’s a great community and I really do enjoy their principles, in terms of rules and everything. When I was looking for what community to join, and people talking about it on Reddit, there was a bunch of, it doesn’t really matter, which is bullshit, it actually really does matter, in my opinion, but, uh, yeah. Beehaw came up enough for me to go there on my first account.
As for the drama, I have missed out on all of it. Like, people are talking about Hexbear, I have no idea what happened with that. In terms of drama, all I personally remember was the kind of like big panic over the threadiverse because of the mass influx from Reddit users, which I am on one of but that’s pretty much it. That being said, I personally do remember that most people had already some kind of apprehension towards Lemmy.ml. At least in my corner. Lemmygrad I’ve only learned of recently.
Beehaw was great until I realised how dogmatic they are. There was a thread asking disabled people if they were happy with their disability, and I replied no, I was not.
Anyone who was not happy with their disability was banned or something, ridiculous.
Switched over to SJW since I appreciate the openness of the admins and community. Naturally this community requires a lot of special attention and there have been multiple times where SJW admins have had to step in to assist
Yes
I disagree with this, I feel like people tend to rewrite history in their brains, especially with this one, since it has the 2023 date.
e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20230624100232/lemmy.ml/c/worldnews
Looks like lemmy.ml was a relatively normal place for a while before hexbear tried to refederate with the fediverse, that was a torrent of diarrhea, yes, but they quieted down a while after. The major turning point was when hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7th and everything Israel has done ever since. Then that infighting took over and destroyed any rational discourse in lemmy.ml.
I’ve seen this happen with subreddits too also with the Gaza topic. It is the best way to nuke any lefty community.
Eh… it was never normal. There was always tons of unhinged propaganda on there. But for a few months the influx of activity was apparently too much for the power tripping mods to handle and one could debate and have conversations about the facts. Eventually though they caught up and started banning everyone and now it’s the absolute shit show you see today.
I caught my first ban from a .ml community just the other day.
They were cheering because Niger’s military dictatorship seized control of a gold mine that had been operated by an Australian mining firm.
They framed it as “noble natives throwing off a foreign oppressor” when the reality is a local oppressor is just moving in for a larger cut of the money.
They were stanning so hard for the dictatorship, to the point of outright lying and claiming that the dictator was a “duly elected representative democracy”.
Fuck no, it isn’t. Niger, and the Sahel states, are full-on military dictatorships. They’re making a big show out of kicking out foreign businesses (which are already withdrawing due to the sanctions), and mostly kicking out or just killing foreign journalists.
Niger is actually hiring foreign mercenary groups, including the remnants of the Wagner Group. The Neo-Nazis who were mad that Russia was sending them into a meat grinder in Ukraine, so they tried a coup, that failed miserably.
Anyway, my account was banned, and my comments erased, Well, some of them. mostly the ones where I pointed out that the people will never see a dime of the gold mine’s output, because dictators tend to spend on themselves first and foremost.
You should totally post that interaction here.
Tankies operate on a very simple premise. US bad. That’s it, that’s as far as their logic goes.
I seem to have recreated the interaction here.
As opposed to cheering on installing al-Nursa in Syria and the Taliban in Afghanistan? The people of the Sahel actually support their government, God forbid Niger wealth go to their own people instead of Western billionaires.
Niger’s wealth is not going to the people. That’s the whole point here. The wealth is going straight to the dictator.
As to the people supporting their dictators… You do realize they’re killing the people who don’t, right?
The three dictators of the Sahel states are all murdering their own citizens, if those citizens speak up against the dictator.
When General Tiani seized power there were months of protests and the harsh suppression of protests. And that’s just the capital. Tiani has basically abandoned the rest of the country to Jihadists, and mercenaries who have been given carte blanche to do whatever they want so long as they kill Jihadists.
But that’s just what the people want, right? Instead of an elected government. Right?
🙄
Great rebuttal, you really convinced me! I’m ready for my tent in the work camp, comrade, lead the way!
We see our own worlds collapsing, have had numerous verified leaks of times our governments and media knowingly and willfully lied to us. Nothing is going to convince anyone with this reactionary repetition of our own propaganda. Debeers and diamonds may be history, Western appropriation of others ’ resources under brutal conditions aren’t. But sure, “brutal military dictatorships,” because they’re not the regimes we installed.
Nah, I have been around long before that and .ml has been a shit show the entire time. The recent thread on asklemmy is a perfect example of how they have always operated. A new user asked why support for Russia is so widespread on Lemmy, so Diva, Davel and Cowbee sprang into action to call the user a brainwashed imperialist, banned them, and spent the rest of the the thread jerking each other off.
It could have easily been a thread from my first month on .ml. This is just what they do. The only shocking thing is that Dessalines didn’t jump on the pile too.
.ml was always tankie, it was even advertised as such. The community tried to mask their bigotry and extremism when all the Reddit refugees came over, but there were too many Liberals so the devs brought in hexbear with the sole purpose of removing liberals from tankie spaces
It is the best way to nuke any lefty community.
How, exactly?
Top to bottom single topic. Nothing else matters, nothing else discussed, nothing else happens, no thought, just despair, hate and circlejerk in what used to be ideologically diverse communities with some inherent contrarianism and debate.
That’s… what? Can you point toward a non-tankie triad Lemmy community where this has happened?
Last time I bothered to check, worldnews looked like that on .ml, also happened to r/Chomsky.
“Tankie triad” refers to Lemmy.ml, Hexbear and Lemmygrad. I was asking if there are Fediverse communities not on these instances that went through this. My instance is defederated from the triad so I can’t verify what you’re saying otherwise. If it’s such a widespread problem, there should be communities on, say, dbzer0 where the same thing happened.
There were places around the election getting flooded with reasons why Kamala was somehow worse than Trump at all the thing he said he’d do. I think one or two news communities had revolts.
Sorry, I only know the piracy community in dbzer0.
I personally don’t like using left-right terminology because it doesn’t have a place in my country.
But leftists tend to die due to purity. If you’re not 100 percent on board with current thing, then you’re out.
The Chad lemmygrad vs the Virgin sh.itjust.works
You got that backwards
Tankies be tankin
but SJW is larger
