Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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      Wait, this guy published “is Near” twenty years ago and then UNIRONICALLY published “is Nearer”?

      Come the fuck on, this has to be satire?

      The sequel to “Apocalypse Now”, “Apocalypse Even More Presently”

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02218-7

    Might be slightly off topic, but interesting result using adversarial strategies against RL trained Go machines.

    Quote: Humans able use the adversarial bots’ tactics to beat expert Go AI systems, does it still make sense to call those systems superhuman? “It’s a great question I definitely wrestled with,” Gleave says. “We’ve started saying ‘typically superhuman’.” David Wu, a computer scientist in New York City who first developed KataGo, says strong Go AIs are “superhuman on average” but not “superhuman in the worst cases”.

    Me thinks the AI bros jumped the gun a little too early declaring victory on this one.

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      See, in StarCraft we would just say that the meta is evolving in order to accommodate this new strategy. Maybe Go needs to take a page from newer games in how these things are discussed.

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      this is simple. we just need to train a new model for every move. that way the adversarial bot won’t know what weaknesses to exploit

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        In chess the table base for optimal moves with only 7 pieces takes like ~20 terrabytes to store. And in that DB there are bizzare checkmates that take 100 + moves even with perfect precision- ignoring the 50 move rule. I wonder if the reason these adversarial strats exists is because whatever the policy network/value network learns is way, way smaller than the minimum size of the “true” position eval function for Go. Thus you’ll just invariably get these counter play attacks as compression artifacts.

        Sources cited: my ass cheeks

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          i don’t think that can be quite right, as illustrated by an extreme example: consider a game where the first move has player 1 choose “win” or “hypergo.” if player 1 chooses win, they win. if player 1 chooses hypergo, begin a game of Go on a 1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 board, and whoever wins that subgame wins. for player 1, the ‘true’ position eval function must be in some sense incredibly complicated, because it includes hypergo nonsense. but player 1 strategy can be compressed to “choose win” without opening up any counterattacks

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            more generally I suspect that as soon as you are trying to compare some notion of a ‘true’ position eval function to eval functions you can actually generate you’re going to have a very difficult time making correct and clear predictions. the reason I say this is that treating such a ‘true’ function is essentially the domain of combinatorial game theory (not the same as “game theory”), and there are few if any bridges people have managed to build between cgt and practical Go etc playing engines. so it’s probably pretty hard to do

            (I know there’s a theory of ‘temperature’ of combinatorial games that I think was developed for purposes of analyzing Go, but I don’t think it has any known relationship to reinforcement learning based Go engines)

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    petition to use the term “pyramid sucking” to refer to the activity of defending the Incredible Potential of AI, crypto, the metaverse, whatever the next thing is, etc

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      Also fits in with the ‘quantum’ grifters who believe in some spirit energy from the pyramids and tell you to build your own (fancy minerals optional) because of the quantum energy states. ‘a piece of meat doesn’t spoil under the pyramid!’ For example

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      Alternate pitch could be pyramid plugging. There’s an added slant here that pyramids don’t have flared bases.

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    And in other news:

    Muse is a new creative platform that can create your own AI-generated series so you can dive into a new world of storytelling without the need for personal content creation.

    Who the fuck are these people and why do I not have a button that spreads Lego bricks across their floor?

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      Yeah, I always hated the part of art and storytelling where there was always a tiny and sometimes misshapen window into the human soul there. Better to do away with that and replace it with an endless parade of #sponsoredcontent. That way there’s no risk of suddenly developing empathy or accidentally connecting with the people I’m exploiting as a billionaire VC.

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      “disorderly cities are required by the state religion”

      When they are absolutely sure the tweet will not escape containment, they will just take assumptions like “a certain percentage of people has incurable Criminal Mind” as given and go from there.

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      tangent: these screencaps are from scott? he doesn’t mention long acting injectable antipsychotics (one shot every 2-4 weeks or so, no pills needed; needs consent ofc, result is vastly increased compliance) is that not a thing over there?

      e: he mentions it but doesn’t discuss it for whatever reason

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    orbstack 1.6.4:

    Debug Shell: AI-powered package install suggestions for commands

    in the app upgrade popup it’s just bare text. in the documentation for debug shell there’s no reference. in the release notes feed it’s the same bare text

    I’ve already sent feedback asking for more information about it, but just … what? I mean there’s that annoying(-to-me) ubuntu shell hook that goes “oh hey $binary not found, try installing $pkg!” already, and that’s been out for years, but what?

    if/when I hear more I’ll post comment I guess. in the meantime consider me fucking bewildered.

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      I’m pretty sure this is just a handy convenience around launching another container that has debug tools in all the same namespaces (network, pid, user, filesystem, …) as the other. Kubernetes has a similar thing and it’s pretty handy.

      Edit: oooooh wait, I misread your entire comment: you were referring to the ai-powered install instructions. Oops, and yep, that is a big yikes. Wow.

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        yeah the orb debug shell is kinda neat! it leverages nixpkgs for its packages scope, and allows you to attach a not-impoverished shell to a container (which is immensely helpful because the tooling and systems in containerland suck so extremely fucking hard)

        hoping for a sensible response from the developer

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    Aaah!

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    PagerDuty suggestion popup: Resolve incidents faster with Generative AI. Join Early Access to try the new PD Copilot.

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    I’ve been out-of-the-loop for a bit on the Nix drama. Is there a good summary of the last couple weeks?

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        Man there was a long thread about different forms of self-identifying as Muslim that was finally purged by mods after 2 days.

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        Evaluation is 5-20% faster than 2.18, depending on which benchmark is in use, thanks to eldritch horrors.

        this is awesome

        nix flake lock --update-input nixpkgs is now the much more reasonable nix flake update nixpkgs.

        but this is making me go “fuck yeah” on the inside. it seems like a small change, but I can’t emphasize enough how frequently this command gets used (for every flake dependency, not just nixpkgs) for how longwinded and non-memorable the old form of it was. it’s kind of fucking incredible how many UX warts Nix has just from the old evaluator’s devs digging in their heels on shit like this.

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          which reminds me, I need to check if lix/aux are going to do a cli-side nixpkgs search with a reasonable invocation

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            what do you mean you don’t like when your package search command is one of several random, probably-unmaintained ecosystem packages that has to very slowly index everything every time nixpkgs updates because it doesn’t have access to the evaluator’s internals?

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      It’s weirdly open about its nostalgia for the good old days when you could throw around racial slurs and watch porn at work with no consequences.

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        Thanks for posting this. I live in Sweden and many of these actors are new to me.

        FWIW we have our own word for people who try to hijack the judicial system with spurious lawsuits etc: rättshaverist (“justice wrecker”). I don’t believe the Roman/German law system really meshes well with the SovCit movement in common law systems, but I’m sure people are trying to apply it.

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        I really can’t imagine reading a book by someone whose vision of the future is “men will be taller and have more muscles, women will stay the same height but they’ll all be conventionally attractive and have voluntary control of their uterus”.

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          Babel-17 came out in 1966, and its vision of the future was that a good ship’s captain knows how to complete a poly triad and you can’t leave Earth without a full crew including three ghosts and a furry.

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            Now that’s the kind of stuff that makes puppies sad…

            (New wave SF is a bit of a blind spot for me. Never really read any Delany, even though his autobio is one the best I’ve read)

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    (I’ll try put a decent summary of links on this later)

    there’s a UK party that (aiui) committed electoral crimes by submitting non-existing genML-created people as candidates, a whole new usecase!

    gonna be real fun to see that catching sunlight, if TNI manages to do due process right

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      what a coincidence, “aiui” is the sound I make when I get caught doing electoral crimes.

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      guardian story

      one guy whose pic looks like a fucking Auton actually got in touch with the Grauniad and showed them the original of his ridiculously yassified campaign photo

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        it continues to do my head in that I vacillate on whether there’s more insane politics shit for y’all in TNI, or in what we have here in ZA

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          There was a new government elected last week on a platform which can be broadly summarised as “no more insane politics shit”. So far they’re showing dangerous signs of competence and rational thought. What a load of weirdos.

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      If you want more crazy, that political party is actually a limited company in which the leader is also the majority shareholder and the bylaws permit him to fire and appoint a majority of directors at will. I’m not sold on whether all those candidates were actually fake, but journalists from more credible outlets than Byline Times are no doubt working on physically tracking down every one off these candidates as we speak to verify their existence or otherwise.