Yeah it’s not just lemmy but it’s certainly prevalent here. I think the allure is that it can feel ‘sophisticated’ and ‘aware’ to be cynical, but it is annoying.
Especially the anti-natalists OMFG. ‘Having children is like totally selfish and inmoral’ oh jeez shut your trap. Like I get the anti-hyper-natalists because having like 5 children is also completely nutso these days, but. Well anyway.
its an undeniable fact that choosing to have children is a act of selfishness. As long as you’re choosing to have said child, you’re the only reason that child exists and you’re doing it because you want it
Yeah this is also stupid because society would collapse if no one had children. Even a lowered birth rate is a calamity for a civilization. You should honestly be thankful everyday that people are brave enough to believe in the hope that their children might live in a better world because that’s the only way you’re going to be able to enjoy the rest of your life.
Yeah this is also stupid because society would collapse if everyone had 4 children. I’m not quite sure why you brought that up.
no one is having children to benefit society.
people have a right to have children to increase their own quality life and that’s perfectly fine. I’m not denying the continuation of a race depends on procreation, but that’s not an intelligent beings primary rationale
Don’t try to say they’re doing it for me, it’s delusional to think anyone is having a child for anyone else but themselves. (as long as they chose to have the child)
I think it’s perfectly deniable that it’s selfish if you believe your children would have more valuable existences if they existed than if they didn’t, and there’s some value in their lives. You do things because you decided to do them, not necessarily because they benefit you – unless you believe you can trivially reduce all motivation to selfishness (which then reduces to the concept of selfishness to something so trite as to be meaningless)
Antinatalists are the most annoying kind, with their cheap ass edgy morality that at the end of the day, is just a means to try and feel superior, somehow, to other people.
Demograpic collapse is way more scary than any of those SciFi depictions of overcrowded cities… no doubt in under developed countries there is a real problem with that, but in so much the rest of the world, the problem is literally the opposite, people are getting old and the each new generation has to carry a weight that is not theirs, things like retirement will become impossible.
You two are just delusional. Open your eyes. But then people on lemmy tend to be on the older side, so there’s a good chance, you just don’t want to hear how you fucked over the younger generations.
I do wonder what shitfuck will be for me when I graduate college, but my parents and grandparents also had to live trough shit, poverty, pinochet, worry of nuclear war, disease and whatnot, and if they choose to not have kids, well… I wouldnt exist lol, and my life is way more healtly and comfortable than the ones they did have, things have improved in spite of all the shitfuckery of the XX century, and they will keep improving overall, and on average trough the century (i don’t say there won’t be dips) because humans just want to live better.
Go fuck yourself. I recycle, I grow a lot of veg, keep my own chickens, air source heat pump and PV and all that jazz, I don’t drive, I vote for socialised policies and infra investments. What do you do? Useless sniping arse
Lemmy sometimes annoys me with all this doomeristic boomer firstworlders.
Yeah it’s not just lemmy but it’s certainly prevalent here. I think the allure is that it can feel ‘sophisticated’ and ‘aware’ to be cynical, but it is annoying.
Especially the anti-natalists OMFG. ‘Having children is like totally selfish and inmoral’ oh jeez shut your trap. Like I get the anti-hyper-natalists because having like 5 children is also completely nutso these days, but. Well anyway.
Tl;Dr: totally, dude
its an undeniable fact that choosing to have children is a act of selfishness. As long as you’re choosing to have said child, you’re the only reason that child exists and you’re doing it because you want it
obviously it’s not immoral though
Yeah this is also stupid because society would collapse if no one had children. Even a lowered birth rate is a calamity for a civilization. You should honestly be thankful everyday that people are brave enough to believe in the hope that their children might live in a better world because that’s the only way you’re going to be able to enjoy the rest of your life.
Yeah this is also stupid because society would collapse if everyone had 4 children. I’m not quite sure why you brought that up.
no one is having children to benefit society.
people have a right to have children to increase their own quality life and that’s perfectly fine. I’m not denying the continuation of a race depends on procreation, but that’s not an intelligent beings primary rationale
Don’t try to say they’re doing it for me, it’s delusional to think anyone is having a child for anyone else but themselves. (as long as they chose to have the child)
I think it’s perfectly deniable that it’s selfish if you believe your children would have more valuable existences if they existed than if they didn’t, and there’s some value in their lives. You do things because you decided to do them, not necessarily because they benefit you – unless you believe you can trivially reduce all motivation to selfishness (which then reduces to the concept of selfishness to something so trite as to be meaningless)
Antinatalists are the most annoying kind, with their cheap ass edgy morality that at the end of the day, is just a means to try and feel superior, somehow, to other people.
Demograpic collapse is way more scary than any of those SciFi depictions of overcrowded cities… no doubt in under developed countries there is a real problem with that, but in so much the rest of the world, the problem is literally the opposite, people are getting old and the each new generation has to carry a weight that is not theirs, things like retirement will become impossible.
Ya know there’s enough people eager to come move to all these developed countries if they would just welcome them in. Solving two problems at once.
You two are just delusional. Open your eyes. But then people on lemmy tend to be on the older side, so there’s a good chance, you just don’t want to hear how you fucked over the younger generations.
We need to stop the intergenerational fighting and unite against the real enemy: neoliberal capitalism.
I’m 21
I’m the younger generation.
I do wonder what shitfuck will be for me when I graduate college, but my parents and grandparents also had to live trough shit, poverty, pinochet, worry of nuclear war, disease and whatnot, and if they choose to not have kids, well… I wouldnt exist lol, and my life is way more healtly and comfortable than the ones they did have, things have improved in spite of all the shitfuckery of the XX century, and they will keep improving overall, and on average trough the century (i don’t say there won’t be dips) because humans just want to live better.
Also, greetings from Chile.
Oh hey, my grandmother was Chilean. Always wanted to visit but never managed it yet. Greetings from UK lol
Go fuck yourself. I recycle, I grow a lot of veg, keep my own chickens, air source heat pump and PV and all that jazz, I don’t drive, I vote for socialised policies and infra investments. What do you do? Useless sniping arse