• BillyClark@piefed.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Yep, he invested in the existing Tesla company, and then forced them to list him as a founder.

      If Elon Musk is the founder of Tesla, then Stalin was the founder of Berlin.

  • itkovian@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Elon Musk is not visionary. He is more of a “let me pretend to create this dumb convoluted thing that would not work, but seems like it might” type of asshole.

    • nomecks@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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      3 months ago

      He invested heavily in EVs before everyone else. He got into working satellite internet before everyone else. He built a successful private rocket company before everyone else. How was he not a visionary?

      He may have swindled and stole and exploited and kicked out orignal founders, but that’s the asshole part to a tee.

      • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Every one of those already had an engineering base that was flourishing, he just dumped capital into them and then PR’ed the shit out of his own idiocy to make it seem like each company’s idea was his own.

        • BillyClark@piefed.socialEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I’m going to say one good thing about Musk below. It’s probably the only good thing I will ever say about him going forward.

          The American car industry is a cesspool led by some of the biggest villains who exist. The existing car manufacturers were not heavily investing in EV. They liked the status quo. Also, the barrier to entry for any new car company is extremely high, as well. For example, a lot of states have laws passed requiring car manufacturers to sell from traditional dealerships, which is specifically to stop new small car companies from succeeding.

          Because of this massive corruption in America, I fully expected that any EV developments would start internationally. You’d have to be a complete moron who was also flush with money to try to fight them. And then Elon Musk came onto the scene. He was a complete moron who was flush with money.

          I don’t know that Musk pushed the EV industry forward, but he certainly pushed the American EV industry forward. If Musk had been smarter, he’d have tried something more reliable with his money, and he wouldn’t have started an impossible fight. I know Tesla has almost bankrupt at least once since he took over. His luck stat must be off the charts.

          • Clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            This is my take as well. Tesla wouldn’t have succeeded without his money and absurd hype, and they have pushed electrification and batteries and solar with them, at least in the U.S.

            He’s a horrible person who mostly makes bad decisions, and when he makes good decisions it seems to be for the wrong reasons, but it’s unfair to say he hasn’t had any positive impact.

            I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

      • 18107@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        He threw around his father’s illegal emerald money and got praised when some of it came back.

        If you have that much money and invest randomly, you have a good chance of making more. You also didn’t hear about all the people who tried the same and failed, so there is some amount of selection/survivorship bias.

        Elon Musk has proven himself to be an idiot who only makes things worse when he overrules the engineers. The engineers are the smart ones, Elon just takes the credit.

      • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Sorry, “musk bad” is just a more important vibe than creating the Model S and a charging network at a time when electric cars were Nissan Leafs that could go five miles and then overhead.

        None of the people downvoting you had these opinions in 2015. Musk is a nazi cunt but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have vision back then. Unfuck your heads.

  • jambudz@lemmy.zip
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    3 months ago

    Elon musk did not found Tesla. He bought it and then wrote in his name as founder.

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        It’s also wrong for St Linus. He was a college student trying a project for fun when he started. Part of what makes Linux great is that it isn’t something made from the ground up to change the world or to be its founder’s career. It was an interesting project that was so useful it wound up being adopted and evolving into what it is

        • reddit_sux@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          He was visionary for knowing that he couldn’t do it all alone but instead of making a company he open sourced his project.

      • village604@adultswim.fanEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Jobs might have been a massive cunt, but he absolutely pushed Apple to innovate. They haven’t really done anything innovative since Jobs died besides the VR headset.

  • sorter_plainview@lemmy.today
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    3 months ago

    As far as I knows, Linus dropped that asshole founder mode, and moved on. There was a write up by him, how the linux conference and his holiday plans got overlapped, which forced him to rethink a lot about himself. Great person.

    • cm0002@lemmings.worldOP
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      3 months ago

      Linus has made a lot of great strides the last idk couple years or so bettering himself and his attitudes towards things lol

  • Superorbit@lemmy.caEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Not sure Tesla goes up there in legendary projects. Don’t get me wrong I have issues with apple too, but they’ve released several mechanically interesting products. Tesla released a few and has now fallen behind BYD. Their reign was simply too short in comparison to the other projects imo.