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    I wonder what % of Republican boomers that support the war in Iran also refused, in one way or another, to fight in Vietnam.

    Would be an interesting stat to see.

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      That was a pretty common evolution they went through. My mom was a free love hippie that is now basically a Nazi. She can’t understand why I cut her out of my life.

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        Same for my mom. Always a people loving hippie and into crystals and alternative healing, but during covid she discovered telegram and now she votes for the far right and believes in qanon or whatever the latest stuff is.

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          Hippie » alternative medicine » anti-vaxxer » Russian propaganda consumer » nazi

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        The hippie to fascist pipeline is real. Their tendency to distrust the establishment means they also fall for typical fascists tactics like putting the blame on the establishment and a secret cabal in power for all their problems. Like in my country during Covid lockdowns these so called “spiritual” people voted for the blatantly fascist party.

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          That sounds plausible, but I don’t think that’s the case for my mom. I think she was just going with the trend, trying to be in the “in group”. I can say with 100% certainty a big part of her Nazi transition is the lack of empathy that she has.

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        There are differences, actually from country to country. Austria for example pioneered the whole thing (at least in Europe) when, what is nowadays conservative mainstream, was in the international media reported as “nazi country doing nazi things”. Those stories stopped at some point or had gotten so hypocritical that they approached satire level. Not because those things aren’t “nazi” btw, but because they became popular in most Western countries.

        Austria has been through at least 3 right populist cycles already, starting in the 1980s. Cycles, because unless the populist right manages to degrade democracy enough, they always blow themselves up due to their boundless corruption.Their voters remember for a few years (except for the hardened Nazi core) and then suffer from mass dementia and go back to those very same people who messed up the last time.

        In short, Europe is just one stepb behind the US. The fascist traitors dressing up as patriots do encounter setbacks once in a while though, see Hungary.

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    No the final fuck your is when they leave whatever money they have left to their goddamn church.

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    Most well-to-do and simultaneously selfish generation of people in human history?

    Quite likely.

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      And unfortunately part of that working class are class traitors who vote against the rest of our interests as they pull the ladder up behind them.

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      Until class traitors (boomers) spend decades voting against your future interests.

      The class war is the priority, but it’s ok to be mad at assholes pulling up the ladder behind them.

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        Considering the complete lack of correlation between issues that voters care about and the policies that politicians actually enact, I don’t think that merely voting makes boomers blameworthy.

        Studies have repeatedly shown that politicians in both parties do not act in accordance with what their voters want, so clearly voting does not affect policy.

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      Sure, but the bourgeoisie have convinced a large portion of the would-be proletariat to side with them. So insomuch as the average ‘soldier’ in this war is more likely to encounter a coal-rolling boomer than Elon Musk, there is more to this than pure class politics.

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      The older I get and the more I understand that boomers had literally it the easiest out of any one in history the more salty I get over them calling millennials & gen Z lazy all those years.

      All you stupid oldies had to do was put like 2% of your paycheck into any index over your career and you would be rich AF right now. Which, is exactly why so many boomers are fucking loaded right now and old a historically disproportionate amount of wealth for the generation.

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        any one in history

        I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this and I think it’s accurate. No doubt they worked, but they live in the modern age with modern luxuries and probably the best large scale economic climate ever for a single generation. So many boomers are so financially sound it’s almost comical. RV’s fucking everywhere. 2nd homes. It’s like a slap in our faces.

        I’m speaking about American boomers specifically. Especially since they seem so deadset on pulling the ladder up behind them.

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          Exactly. The standard QoL between 1800, 1900, and 2000 is immense. But between 1970/80/90/00/10/20 - it all feels extremely similar or even a bit worse. Cars vs Horse was a big change to out QoL, Landline vs iPhone is arguably lateral or only slightly up. And I feel the same can be said for the majority of innovations over the last 30 years… Like they’re nice sure, but they didn’t really revolutionize our QoL like the generation prior to the boomers experienced.

          Bomers got it “as good as it got” up to now, but weer able to enjoy the average bull run of the last 50 years. Meanwhile younger generations are entering right as it started to taper off.

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        Paying taxes that fund public education despite not having kids? Supporting politicians who want to make our public education system more robust and performant? Supporting politicians and policies to attempt to combat climate change? Giving money to causes related to the above even though I don’t (and will never) have kids?

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        I mean I’m voting to help them every possible chance I get. Something that appears to be anathema to the boomer generation.

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          Sure. There are always lots of great politicians to vote for. I can’t believe those boomers didn’t think of that.

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        currently working at a non-profit for subpar wages to help zoomers and gen alpha afford college, wtf are you doing oh so “holier than thou?”

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          I’m just making my way through the universe, like everyone else, including boomers. My point was that people seem to think that boomers, or any generation for that matter, have a big meeting and decide to fuck up the following generations en masse. I think oligarchs are causing the problems, not 70 year olds, who had the nerve to buy a house because they could. If you were a boomer I bet you wouldn’t have done anything different, because you would not have seen the harm in it. As always the harm comes from the top, not a whole generation.

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        Not having kids, my bloodline ideally ends with me. At my age my mother already had me and was pregnant with a second child she couldn’t care for, I’m 26 and soon to be 27. I’m hoping I die an irrelevant, ignoble, and funny death.

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    And honestly, at this point if you go to a local Democratic party meeting, see a bunch of protesters on the side of the road, or meet with the local liberal or progressive organization’s members – the majority of the most active members will be boomers in a huge portion of the country. Outside of the cities and/or the odd left-leaning rural area, young people don’t seem to get involved.

    So, to blame the problems on just that generation but also all of that generation is just wrong.

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      I think this isn’t because boomers are the only ones who care about politics, but more because boomers are more likely to be retired now and have free time to do this stuff. I agree that generational warfare is stupid

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      Yea, there was that Power to the People concert in my county this weekend. All the acts and seemingly most of the concert-goes were 40+. Same as the No Kings protest crowds.

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        40+ are Millennials. Millennials are defined as 30 to 45. Gen x are 46 to 60 and Boomers are 61+.

        Millennials grew up with Bush II and saw their country change after 9/11. Younger groups don’t understand what not living in a surveillance state is even like. It’s their normal.

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      Sidenote about local democrats— they’re disgusting. A loop up only propping up their favorite candidates, using their influence to push around elections despite being a limited amount of people many with bad takes, and intentionally they have their candidates run with hidden views so that they win on popularity alone.

      Like, still do it though because there’s really only upsides to influencing them, but just ugh.

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    Seems to me you can handle it one of two ways.

    One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease. And then you yourself won’t have any safety net when you’re that age.

    Two, you can focus on the class struggle. Focus on weakening the billionaires who control us and who made up this bullshit in the first place. Target income inequality, access to services, and draconian employment practices. Begin the century-long transformation of capitalism. This is the harder road.

    So which one will do more good?

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      One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease.

      I mean we can place warranted blame on them without murdering them.

      I can simultaneously fight the class war while calling out asshole class traitors who are pulling the ladder up behind them. It’s not like they’re going to join forces with us. They’ve made it abundantly clear they’re planning on fucking us over all the way to the grave.

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      The one that will do the most good is holding guilty parties accountable, instead of presenting a non sequitir strawman.

      People rightly hate boomers as a group because they are largely entitled spoiled brats who call everyone else entitled spoiled brats.

      They are largely the living embodiment of moral hazard who deem themselves inherently correct and reasonable while being obviously short sighted hypocrites, who have indeed caused their children massive sanity/psychic damage to the point that its now a widespread practice for kids to cut off all contact with their boomer parents. They are the ‘fuck you, I got mine’ generation. They are the weak men who create hard times, while thinking themselves to be the strong men who create good times.

      WASP Boomers are also the group that is actually most responsible for driving up housing prices and destroying the economy and society in that way. They consistently voted for NIMBY construction and tax policies. Most second+ homes are owned by Boomer ‘Mom and Pop’ landlords, not actually private equity firms. Yes the Boomers did create the political environment that gave rise to PE RE firms by voting to effrctively disenfranchise non WASP non Boomers, as well as destroy traditional pensions and replace them with 401ks, but they also are the most likely group to personally own a few other homes or have house flipped a number of times.

      Yes, we should have actual policy responses that specifically target these and other specific anti social economic practices and tax them into non viability, but we can’t, at least not at a national level, because of the dysfunctional government voted for, for decades, by Boomers.

      The current crop of billionaires are the inevitable result of the Boomer mindset codified into formal societal rules. Yes we should specifically tax billionaires out of existence, but we also need to dismantle the systems that allow for billionaires to arise in the first place.

      Presenting a dichotomy of ‘kill all boomers and abolish social safety nets’ vs ‘tax billionaires and do class struggle’ is a laughable misdirect.

      What would actually do more good is a combination of in depth and honest economic and tax policy reform, wealth taxes and such, accompanied by acknowledging the fact that many Boomers have been abusive hypocritical sociopathic narcissists in every dimension of their lives and have caused considerable direct harm to people personally.

      The zeitgeist of Boomer hate is never going to end until Boomers collectively take accountability for the harm they’ve caused, economic and psychological.

      The Boomers do not get to spend their whole lives playing at being rugged individualists while actually consistently rigging the system for their own preferential treatment, and then when that largely fails them because they got out sharked by better sharks, then get to play the “we’re all in this together guys” card.

      No. We’d be idiots to trust Boomers not to continue to act selfishly while disguising their self serving greed behind a different rhetorical justification. All the Boomers have ever collectively shown themselves to be is arrogant selfish lying assholes who will betray you when its benefits them personally, and then belittle you for not seeing that coming.

      I’ll believe a Boomer is serious about class struggle when they actively advocate for something like exponentially increasing marginal property tax rates on home values, for personal or business ownership… when they commit to actually mandating their own outsized wealth be redistributed to those with less.

      Instead what we see in the most Boomer over represented areas is … total repeal of property taxes.

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      As a millennial I find it a little funny whenever someone says that type of stuff about Gen Z, because they used to say that about us. I hate to tell you but the people that get into power are almost always the shit heads. It’s not a generational thing. It’s a wealth and privilege thing. The future Gen Z leaders will be the same entitled out-of-touch shitheads that they always are.

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      Boomers own 52% of the country, they ARE the class struggle. Over 55s together over 70%. I don’t think anyone in gen Z is operating under the assumption they could ever retire anyway? They’re not pumping out enough babies to fund their retirement. Neither are us millennials.

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        This is a logical error.

        Over 55s own about 73%

        What this number establishes is that a significant portion of the owning class is over 55. What it doesn’t show is that the boomers are the ownership class. If one guy over 55 owns 75% of the country, you still end up with

        Over 55s own about 73%

        being true. You’re focussing on the wrong group of people.

        Here’s a fact:

        Households with a white householder hold roughly 80% of the nation’s total wealth

        Does this mean we should be mad at white people?

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      One, you can punish the boomers. When Z gets in power, abolish pensions, Social Security, and Medicare. Let the old die from poverty and disease. And then you yourself won’t have any safety net when you’re that age.

      Gen Z doesn’t need to be in power for this. The actual boomers are doing this on their way out.

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      • Send Trump and cronies to the Hague for war crimes.
      • Expell Israeli ambassador and diplomatic personnel.
      • Disband AIPAC; try citizens on their board for treason.
      • Keep all the social safety nets, and fund it by eviscerating billionaires with wealth taxes.
      • Break up and nationalize big-tech like Theodore Roosevelt, a (gasp) Republican.
      • Introduce age ceilings and term limits for every elected office in the United States.
      • Mandate rank-choiced voting, undo all gerry-mandering.
      • Release Epstein files.

      Watch boomers mald and rejoice in schädenfreude.

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    I honestly don’t care about anything anymore. I just wear the same 6 or 7 pairs of sweatpants everyday and at the end of the week I wash them and start over. This is how I mark the passage of time.