How is the idea that two evils can fight each other so hard to understand? Not all fights are between a good and a evil.
Seriously. There are also people on Lemmy that think anyone who has sympathy for civilians also support terrorists.
How absolutely fucking brain-dead do you have to be to not understand that killing civilians is wrong? You can hate the rulers of Israel, Hamas, and Hezbollah while simultaneously hoping that Israeli, Palestinian, and Lebanese civilians don’t get hurt.
This isn’t rocket science.
Hate the Nazis, not the Germans
Hate the Kremlin, not the Russians.
only some civilians. say you don’t agree with random rockets being launched into Israel makes you a Zionist genocide supporter according so so many hateful people here
Emotions run high. Makes it difficult to see the bigger picture.
It doesn’t help that they have the emotional maturity of toddlers
Also the intellectual maturity.
You’ve got to wonder how much of it is genuine and how much is some in a third world country being paid by putin/xi to spread propaganda on social media
No, you really don’t have to wonder that. Not when you meet plenty of real people with those real opinions. I think questioning the humanity of those who we interact with is far more destructive. It’s often the conspiracy minded Lemmygrad users who share spaces with real people who disagree with them, and instead of managing the cognitive dissonance they just accuse them of being a bot. Everyone who disagrees with me is fake!
Please refer to the rules, particularly revision
Yeah and they also forget that something evil can have elements or components that arent evil. You wont kill every employee of a company because the ceo is evil. You wont kill every palestanian or israeli because the IDF and hamas are terrorist organizations.
You simply side with the weaker side. Losing is a sign of virtue. /s
That explains why they are fans of Russia as well.
Reality is a team sport, to some people. The conservative worldview is defined by interpersonal loyalty. There is some rightful order to things, and it’s your job to justify and promote that, by stringing together argument-shaped sentences. They think that’s all anyone’s doing.
And yes, I would call tankies conservatives. The word doesn’t refer to right-wing policies. It means “well somebody’s gotta be king.” They use leftist language, and absorb some leftist motivation, but any of it and all of it will go out the window for the social game of maintaining loyalty.
I think it is difficult for children to understand nuance like that. Aren’t cartoons always very obvious about who is in the right?
It is fights between arbitrary stance with no factual evidence and arbitrary stance with no factual evidence.
Actually it sounds a lot like a holly war
Your statement is akin to saying the Allies in WW2 were no heroes. In fact they were also the bad guys because they were racist and homophobic. Thus WW2 was a “complex and nuanced” issue.
WW2 was complex and nuanced, especially outside of Europe, and extra especially in the Middle East
WW2 was complex but I wouldn’t use the word nuanced. Most people can agree morality in WW2 can be fully reduced to Nazis bad
Whenever someone calls Hitler bad and Allies good it’s not a great look if someone shows up saying “well actually the Allies bombed Dresden too, it was actually all pretty nuanced”.
The WWII equivalent of what they said is “Churchill was a hero of humanity”. I would absolutely disagree with that statement.
Churchill was a monster, just less of one than Hitler.
If Churchill was killed during WW2 while fighting Hitler everyone would be calling him a hero.
OP didn’t even mention Nasrallahs actual war crimes which were backing Assad during the Syrian civil war. Just the generic pinkwashing.
If Churchill was killed during WW2 while fighting Hitler everyone would be calling him a hero.
These people wouldn’t: https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide
Churchill had his own genocide with a body count comparable to the Holocaust.
I believe if your argument relies on the semantics of words, then your argument is pretty weak.
Parent comment: “Two evils can fight each other.”
Your idiotic comment: “You’re saying everyone who has ever fought anyone is evil and there’s no good guys anywhere!”
I’m confident that when you review what was said you’ll see just how fucking stupid your reply is. I’ve seen you say intelligent stuff before, drink your coffee!
“America bad therefore all adversaries are good and all adversaries’ actions are good.”
Is resistance to Genocide good? No this is a nuanced complex issue and anyone saying it’s not is an America hater! (Because israel = America right?)
Resistance to genocide is the only moral position. That’s why it is so repugnant that you want more genocide in Gaza, more killing in Ukraine, and pogroms in Ohio.
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I hit a nerve, clearly. I’m not sorry that we are opposed to your MAGA agenda starting pogroms in Ohio. Wish you would get some therapy for whatever it is that makes you support that.
Resistance to genocide is the only moral position.
Because endorsing Genocide and voting for it is ‘resisting it’. 8K projector in full force.
You are on here campaigning for MAGA every day. You love Donald saying that Israel should finish the job and more recently that he will help them “win.” It is disgusting, wish you would get some help with that problem.
You love Donald saying that Israel should finish the job and more recently that he will help them “win.”
Hello,
Would you have a link to that comment? Genuinely curious
Thanks, but I was more curious about Linkerbaan supporting Trump.
IIRC they support Jill Stein, I’ve never seen them encouraging to vote for Trump
Average tankie.world user.
The average .world user is disgusted by your cheerleading for genocide, that is reflected in your downvotes.
Donald is now publicly saying he wants do a Kristallnacht, it could hardly be more clear. Yet here you are, a pro-genocide MAGA. Despicable.
And what did Kamala Harris say again?
Imagine having your head this far up your own ass.
But that’s his shtick, it’s Linkerbaan
Yet the myopic and bots will still upvote their mailcioua propaganda.
Be mindful of the Revisionism rule. These ain’t bots.
Which genocide? Is their belief that gay people should be killed and their actions to do so not considered a genocide?
Man I tell you. I often like your posts but sometimes your comments are just too much.
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You obviously never accidentally entered a .ml thread and said something completely innocent.
Do it
NOW
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For opensource communities (the one topic their communities are usually quite popular)
Thankfully now that there are lots of viable alternatives. Plenty of those communities are moving or winding down. I would like to see more do what the KDE devs did. And have their own official communities whenever possible. Of course Mozilla only tried Mastodon but took theirs down already
I would like to see more do what the KDE devs did. A
They have their own instance: https://lemmy.kde.social/
Aye that was the next part of the bit you quoted that I mentioned that. And I am definitely subscribed to it.
It just makes far more sense for open Source projects. Than associating themselves so closely with toxic political ideologies like capitalism or leninism.
Ah indeed, sorry misread your comment
That plus hex and lemigrad. It just cleans your feed.
How do i block .ml?
Thanks!
The thing that makes you a hero is killing a terrorist.
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There is a pretty clear definition of terrorism and when you think actual genocidal islamists arent terrorist “because they fight the status quo and nothing else” you might need to find yourself in prison for terrorism support.
That is a matter of perspective.
If someone kills the leader of a genocidal country, they are a hero to the genocided and a terrorist to the genocidal country. The leader of a genocidal country is a terrorist to the genocided and a hero to the genocidal country.
You’re oversimplifying something to make your own point appear valid when it isn’t.
“Does not make you an hero”
Id hope not
You never know in tankie land. They see Stalin as the great liberator
Well one of the mods over there is a clearly pro-Russian account.
I’ve been banned from that community (and all others on Lemmy.ml he is a mod on) several times by this account: davel@lemmy.ml
https://reddit.moonbeam.town/u/davel@lemmy.ml
He absolutely refuses to answer the question “are you pro-Russian” while fiercely touting Russian propaganda, saying Russian propaganda doesn’t exist at all, denying Uighur genocide, advocating against Ukraine, all that jazz.
Ten bucks says he comes here whining about stalking again while refusing to answer if he supports Putler or not.
Tankies will never, ever wander outside of their safe spaces. Despite them being able to talk here, none do it, mainly because then they’d have their bigotry and extremism challenged.
True enough.
let’s see if we can’t ping him here though @davel@lemmy.ml idk how the pings work on Lemmy if the last didn’t ping him lol
He’ll never come here
I bet he reads it though.
No doubt there’s russia government propaganda out there but advocating against the ukrainian authoritarian government is not automatically “enemy” propaganda
Advocating against Ukraine in the context of the Russo-Ukrainian war, by spreading pretty much verbatim what Russian state news is touting.
Can we get something more exciting than getting banned on Lemmy.ml for perfectly fine speech?
I got banned from the world news community on lemmy.world because I respectfully and politely disagreed with a moderator. https://lemmy.world/comment/12426224
That’s about right for flyingsquid. Seems like a nice bloke but has repeatedly shown he doesn’t have the impartiality required to be a moderator.
I don’t think he is nice, I think he acts like a mall cop on an ego trip. I had to block him
He’s nice when you agree and most his opinions are decent so you tend to agree a lot. But he tends to start acting weird/hostile when you have a disagreement.
I really appreciate his contributions to lemmy while thinking maybe he isn’t the best person to moderate a political community.
We have different opinions on what nice is. Personally I feel if someone’s only nice when you agree with them. That’s not nice
Semi-related, but how do you feel about my moderation? Being impartial is sometimes quite difficult
I’ll chime in here
I think you do a decent job. If there is one thing this community has shown its that we could do worse. Keep up the good work
You didn’t politely disagree. He asked a direct question to which you earlier said to know the answer to.
What you kept repeating was not an answer to said question, and then you started playing stupid games against someone who’s shown time again to have no patience for them.
Imagine you are an expert in software engineering, and imagine I asked you, “How do you build an app?” How would you directly answer that question?
Moreover, if it was obvious to you that the person wasn’t really interested in how to build apps, but they actually doubt it’s possible to build apps at all and they just want to waste your time arguing with you would never get your app approved on the App Store or something like that, how much detail would you be willing to go into about how to build apps? Would you take them through the whole process, start to finish? Would you point them towards resources they could use to learn how to build an app?
I answered the question quite extensively, with explanations and caveats. It should be very clear that while he (and you) may disagree with me, I am not making these arguments in bad faith, I’m not trolling, and I’m not being particularly rude or breaking any rules.
I’m definitely not playing any “games”, I’m just explaining my position the best way I can, but I’m also not trying to waste my time arguing with people who have zero genuine interest in taking what I say seriously.
What’s the exact text of that respectful and polite deleted message?
It was a message I accidentally submitted before I had finished writing, then deleted so that I could continue to write it, but by the time I finished it, I was already banned. It was something along the lines of “I don’t really think you’re arguing in good faith here, because as you said, you “knew” before even starting this conversation that I wouldn’t have any practical ideas”, or something along those lines. If there’s any way to un-delete it I’d be happy to do that, if you know how I can? Or somehow recover the original text?
Edit: Never mind, figured out how to undelete it. Original comment is restored. I accidentally submitted just that fragment instead of a longer message I had intended on replying with.
You got banned, logged into an alt, said the same thing, got banned again…
And you were so surprised you had to make a post about it?
No idea who they are, we got banned at the same time. You can see the conversation in the original post
You read a post title, clicked the link and scrolled ALLLLLL the way down to comment this?
And you’re here trying to shame this other person for talking about getting banned?
Lmao, typical tankie with the .world sock puppet account.
I can’t believe this is a community lmao. Libs are so weird.
Says the tankie. How rich.
*how authoritarian
Murder fantasies are much weirder.
Based. Get wrecked Zionist troll.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)
Origin of the term
In April 2010, Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism (QUIT) in the Bay Area, used the phrase pinkwashing as a twist on greenwashing, a practice where companies claim to be eco-friendly in order to make profit. Dunya Alwan was at a talk with Ali Abunimah, editor of Electronic Intifada in 2010, when he said “We won’t put up with Israel whitewashing or greenwashing” and she thought “or pinkwashing!”
In 2011, Sarah Schulman used the term pinkwashing in a widely read The New York Times editorial arguing that Israel used the tactic in its public relations. Schulman saw pinkwashing as a manifestation of homonationalism, the processes by which some powers selectively agree with the claims of sexual minorities and exploit them to justify racism, xenophobia (rejection of foreign people), and aporophobia (rejection of the poor);
Just because Israel is using this for propaganda, doesnt mean that it isnt true(or important). The USSR used american racism against black people for propaganda but that doesnt mean that there was no racism in the US or that racism wasnt important(or relevant to the discussion between 2 global powers).
When someone tells you “gay people should be killed”, i think it is relevant to the discussion you have about that person.
Yeah we heard this one in Gaza. The only group people throwing Palestinians off roofs is israel.
Oh no the maga guy.
Since when is Linkerbaan the MAGA guy?
IDK, hes marked down as the gEnOcIdE/Maga guy (Connect is great for that :-).
Quite annoying anyway, maga or not.
I just have it tagged as “shill” but it’s definitely pushing content that improves Trump’s chances of winning.
Please follow the revisionism rules. Don’t call users shills
Genocide guy seems more applicable
Probably in relation to the blue maga name calling. Many of the low intelligence or high self radicalization people rely on as a crutch. Any time someone points out the vitriolic and illogical parts of their rhetoric. Ole Linky seems to be banned from most the communities I visit. Or at least don’t post there anymore. Kinda had forgotten about them honestly. But linky was definitely the one to say things like that.
Thanks for the definition. So basically they got banned for “pretending” to support LGBQ? That’s definitely interesting coming from a tankie.
Also, why are you posting to world news@Lemmy.ml? I think we have established that it is not a good community
Because Lemmy.World news communities are ran by Zionists which ban users for criticizing israel.
So you went for the opposite where they ban users for criticising [insert opposition here]?
You sound less smart than an actual zionist
Then Hexbear is a obvious example of pinkwashing. Truly disgusting.
Wikipedia is worth shit-all ever since Tides took them over.
Try some more reputable articles than a propaganda outlet by hedge funds.
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To be fair Wikipedia has problems with editors continuously promoting bias or incorrect information.
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