does anybody have any israeli connections that they are trying to salvage?
Is there some sort of pipeline to get these people back into regular society?
I feel bad especially for the ones who are 2nd or 3rd gen fully jumped in made (wo)men, never knowing anything else but suckling to the military teet. they are turned into these hideous monsters without dignity. Of course I feel worse for their victims. What can productively be done?
what is to become of these people other than stay behind gladio paperclip infiltrators?
Is there a TRC process ready to go? Or what? If that state just collapsed 
is there a concept of how to proceed?
what of the many, many crimes? what if everyone who’d ever served in the IDF was evaluated according to their military file and public statements they’ve made, then prosecuted according to the laws? How many courts would be required? And each person who resides in a stolen home. All incitements to genocide.
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in addition to the reeducation and surveillance that will have to be done, i think it would help things if former israelis aren’t allowed to form communities amongst themselves so resentment can’t fester.
ultimately what is done is up to Palestinians but my recommendation would be to kick out anyone with citizenship or qualification for citizenship in another country unless they aided the resistance, and my prediction is that the vast majority of israelis are too bigoted to stay in a free palestine with equality under the law and would leave on their own.
my fear is that some rump israel will persist and cause all kinds of problems. not in a 2-state solution way but because the cost of destroying it completely could be too high.
Thing is that kicking israelis out of israel doesn’t solve the problem, they will go to the western places that have supported them all these years. If integration is done well then I think the resentment propaganda could become less powerful. But also it’s not fair to treat this group of refugees so much nicer than any other group because you are afraid of them.
The nicest way to stop people forming homogeneous communities is to strongly welcome and integrate into an anti-fascist plurality in country of destination. Does the west have the capacity?
I don’t have an answer to any of the questions, but they are interesting. From the perspective of the imperial core, the answer is simple: reduce support for Zionism in the country as much and as fast as possible. Nobody needs to hear any further from me about whatever happens next. There are a couple billion non-westerners, and plenty of them are intelligent enough to figure out how to lead that process.
I hope to see the genocide prosecuted as judicially appropriate as possible. What i imagine that means is quite gruesome and I probably wouldn’t even be brave enough to be apart of that process, but I definitely support it.
I dont hope to see a genocide in the other direction. I dont think that will end up happening, but it’s more than possible that energy will come back at them and it needs to be carefully but directly sent directly into the ground.
Just thought of an idea though: When establishing the new state you prosecute the war criminals as discussed above, and immediately after, you set a maximum voting age for former Israelis. If you were older than X (0? 18? 25? Gotta figure out the number…), you never get to vote again. …or you can emigrate, I guess. I think there will be a lot of emigration pressure on the Israelis after liberation. If there are Israeli citizens living there who feel like they can make peace, then they dont have to leave, it’s up to them to explain themselves to their neighbors.
Palestinians would have normal voting rights, no matter their age. Genocide is a mass crime, and needs to be prosecuted on a mass scale. It does bring up an interesting question. Is it possible for former Israelis to have their voting rights restored? What would be the criteria? I don’t think that question needs an answer on day 0, though. It can be worked through over the following couple of years.
I don’t mean to derail things (but then again, just scroll onward and read a different comment, if you want), but I’ve really had my mind captured by imagining what the reconciliation between settlers like me and the local Salish/Chinook/Kalapuya/Yakima etc people would look like. In this case, im the Israeli. I have been doing a lot of reading about our local homegrown genocide, and we have a lot of similar work to do.
There is a book I can recommend named “After One Hundred Winters” that discusses some attempts at the reconciliation process on turtle island, and touches upon some of the history of well intentioned settler advocacy that uh, didnt exactly work out very well.
I don’t mean to derail things (but then again, just scroll onward and read a different comment, if you want), but I’ve really had my mind captured by imagining what the reconciliation between settlers like me and the local Salish/Chinook/Kalapuya/Yakima etc people would look like. In this case, im the Israeli. I have been doing a lot of reading about our local homegrown genocide, and we have a lot of similar work to do.
idk if you didn’t personally murder children or steal a house from someone, it’s pretty hard to “[be] the israeli”. coexistence is probably way more possible here. if federal power weakens significantly i can see states or regions following new zealand’s example which while far from adequate would be a huge improvement.
I’m exaggerating slightly, most of my family tree immigrated after the genocide was complete, but my privilieges still stand on the shoulders of that process. Zionists would love for the Palestinians to be in the same position as the American Indian tribes. My home and my city are built on stolen land, and a stolen future, and no matter how much I lib around in c/electoralism, I won’t rest until the equality of my indigenous comrades is restored.
It isnt my personal cross to bear responsibility for all of the crimes of the land, but the way I see it, I am just a 5th/6th generation settler, while the Israeli project is a lot of 1st/2nd/3rd generations.
I think reconciliations is possible, and the book i mentioned does get into some contrasts between what has been tried in North America, and what has been going on in NZ/Aus. I dont think that can start until people can articulate the history as it was experienced by our predecessors. Just saying “the American settlers did a genocide and it was bad” is not enough, in my opinion, so there is a ton of (educational) work to do.
I agree that a lot of israelis may choose to leave once they no longer enjoy supremacy. But then they will go somewhere else and that’s sort of where my questions really starts.
I think there will be a lot of emigration pressure on the Israelis after liberation.
Yes and they will be returning to the western nations where they originally came from, which is why it makes sense to consider their destinies because I don’t think it would be good for a bunch of "Little Tel Aviv"s to be struck up as nests of festering zionist resentment. Unmanaged, they could become the 21st century cuban expats. This isn’t a problem for billions of non-westerners to solve, it’s a problem for us.
If there are Israeli citizens living there who feel like they can make peace, then they dont have to leave, it’s up to them to explain themselves to their neighbors.
Palestinians would have normal voting rights, no matter their age. Genocide is a mass crime, and needs to be prosecuted on a mass scale. It does bring up an interesting question. Is it possible for former Israelis to have their voting rights restored? What would be the criteria? I don’t think that question needs an answer on day 0, though. It can be worked through over the following couple of years.
I think what you are describing is basically making them non-citizens and then they have to re-apply as citizens of the new state through an internal immigration procedure. Possibly with a test, pledge, conditions similar to how citizenship works in other places. And you can have different levels such as residence, permits and such.
Practically speaking, I don’t see a way around the creation of refugees, so they would be subject to all the pertinent international laws and customs. I don’t have a good background in that so can’t think of what would fit in place. Maybe the US would be making a special way for them to come in like for Afrikkkaaners, who constituted something like 98% of refugees admitted to Amerikkkaa in 2025.
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challengeWe’ve seen similar decolonial efforts in Libya, Angola, and especially Algeria - a lot of people don’t know that these occupations were settler-colonial in nature in a very similar way to South Africa, just in an earlier stage of development. Libya didn’t have to commit an Italian genocide after independence, because the Italian settlers did not want to live as equal citizens in a free Libya.
As always, the key is land ownership. Israelis don’t have “villages”, they have real estate. You don’t need to physically kick them out of their homes (unless the land is claimed by a Palestinian family who can reasonably prove the home belonged to them), you just need to give them a Palestinian landlord and charge them rent. When they are forced to become immigrants instead of settlers, most will willingly leave.
didn’t have to commit an Italian genocide after independence
has there ever been such a case of that happening?
(unless the land is claimed by a Palestinian family who can reasonably prove the home belonged to them)
that is by no means straight forward. you will end up with competing claims. For one thing there are deeds which exist but were declared invalid because they were issued by the ottoman empire, or jordan, or some other pre-israel state. then the property is seized and distributed to Jewish people by some mechanism.
and what of the properties which were sold because the former owners were subject to terrorism and didn’t have the stomach to live that way? Is it really a legitimate sale?
probably many other complexities exist, especially considering large diaspora families, properties being divided/combined, structures being demolished and constructed.
you just need to give them a Palestinian landlord and charge them rent
Can landlords ever be the answer…? The anything? Even zionists.
The PFLP is dead. If it comes back (and I want it to as much as you likely do), we can talk about a more Socialized solution. But I think it’s better, now, to discuss solutions that Hamas and their Palestinian supporters have the political will to pursue, lest we engage in Ultra-Leftism.
And in what I believe would be a best-case scenario for both Palestinian Arabs and what would then again be recognized as Palestinian Jews, is a rentierist regime of wealth extraction (rather than a punitive system that will only incentivize Capital flight) to provide for reparations to the new Palestinian state. Over time Palestinian Jews would live the way they always should have - as free and equal immigrant citizens living a similar life to a Pakistani in London or a Senegalese person in France.
Who exactly owns the land is up to Hamas to decide, but in 95%+ of cases it should be an indigenous Palestinian. Maybe they will be bourgeoise, maybe a village council, maybe a nonprofit-managed fund, maybe an independent family - that’s up for Hamas to decide, and it will likely be a mix of all of those things in different cases. Where there are competing claims and messy ownership custody chains, that will be, again, up to Hamas’ courts and judges to decide. There’s no one big answer; it would be decided on a case-by-case basis, likely according to Sharia law.
My point is to provide a more realistic and compassionate but no less ruthless vision for Palestinian decolonisation than Hamas militants sweeping through the country putting a bullet in the head of every Jew (which is the cartoonish fiction that many Zionists fear). It would be an ownership reset where former Settlers would be required to pay rent to Palestine in order to live there. There would be resistance, yes, and violent response to that resistance. There will be evictions. Direct perpetrators of genocide and settler violence - IDF officers, “illegal” settlers, former politicians, etc. - will be executed.
Proletarian Jews are already paying rent, and so paying that rent to a Palestinian instead of an Israeli will barely make a difference to their lives. Most land is not bound up in single-family suburban homes, and those parcels are the least important for what I’m talking about, because they are not profitable. The important land is in apartment blocs and office towers, factories, farming estates, mines, and traditionally-managed village grounds.
