• AviAdi@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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    4 天前

    Germans went full retard for closing their clean nuclear energy plants. Absolutely foolish decision that’s still biting them in the ass!

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      Its really not biting anyone in the ass. We dont actually have any problems with our energy production, its just corrupt politicians inventing shit. Getting rid of nuclear has saved us many billions of euros in taxpayer money.

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        4 天前

        Did you read the article? Or even the headline of the article you posted your comment to?

        You’re firing up coal firing plants (while also paying way more for your energy than France).

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        We dont actually have any problems with our energy production

        Because we exported industries, kept electricity prices higher than necessary which prevented more people from switching to electric vehicles and we don’t have the data centers to keep up with AI and will maintain our dependency on the US.

        https://feddit.org/post/34851024

        As artificial intelligence becomes foundational to economic output and military power alike, technological dependence may overtake security as Washington’s greatest leverage, leaving even a more militarily autonomous Europe bound to the United States.

        No problems at all.

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          Wow this makes me sad. Are people really so naive that they just read shit like this and believe it? Putting the words “artificial intelligence” and “economic output” in the same sentence like that is one of the dumbest things i can imagine. The entire AI sector is a giant financial human centipede feeding itself on its own excrement. Sad to see that people still haven’t figured that out when its all public information. AI is the worst financial bubble to exist in modern history and you are falling for the most obvious lie if you believe the stuff you quoted. I wish you were trolling but it doesn’t seem like you are.

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            2 天前

            Even if it is a bubble, AI works as a search engine and speeds up work. The US have restricted Mythos 5. This should influence time to market enough that it is a strategic advantage.

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              AI works as a search engine and speeds up work

              Wow as search engines, a thing that was invented and perfected decades ago and has since only been made worse artificially to sell adspace?

              And no it does indeed not significantly speed up work as plenty of studies have shown. Its just very good at tricking people into thinking that it does while actually trading quality for speed, requiring later intervention that will cancel out any earlier speed gains. AI will also not replace you, it will just trick your boss into thinking that it can replace you. We have seen examples of this everywhere in the world where companies either go bankrupt right away or have to re-hire all the workers they “replaced” because it just doesnt work.

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        News to me… everything I read is that you guys are having an energy crisis

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          4 天前

          Welcome to post-factual reality where it’s all about selling a narrative to people dumb enough to ignore actual facts.

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            4 天前

            GERMAN MINISTRY MULLS RAMPING UP COAL,-FIRED PLANTS - sounds like energy crisis to me

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              Of course it does. You have already demonstrated your propaganda-induced brain-damage when you argued that cutting nuclear, the most expensive way to produce electricity, somehow increased energy costs.

              So it’s not at all surprising that a “We reject (and block and sabotage) cheap renewable energy and storgae to focus on expensive fossil fuels to [somehow, magically…] reduce costs”-statement of a corrupt government paid by fossil fuel lobbyists makes sense for you.

              The actual reality is the opposite: They are trying to establish the narrative of an energy crisis so they can justify using more fossil fuels. All to increase the profits of fossil fuel companies paying them. Then, when the costs go up even more, they will tell you that those evil renewables are to blame and we just need to burn more of the expensive coal and gas. And as you obviously lost contact to reality already, you will believe them and happily keep fighting against cheap green energy.

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                Do you know anyone that works in the energy sector, like anyone that is an expert in maintaining the power grid and electricity? You do not, you are making things up and you don’t actually know how much things cost, especially in the winter!

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                  Do you know anyone that works in the energy sector

                  Yes.

                  like anyone that is an expert in maintaining the power grid and electricity

                  Yes

                  You do not

                  Oh, so that wasn’t a question and you just wanted to speak some more about the symptoms of your brain rot. Well…

                  you don’t actually know how much things cost, especially in the winter!

                  Yeah, sure. Reality is lying, facts aren’t real, economic figures are wrong… and the expensive energy sources are actually the cheap ones and one of the few countries actually highly autonomous with reserve capicities held back to supply themselves and several neighbours at the same time is suffering from an energy crisis.

                  Where have I heard that one before? Oh, yes… in the right-wing propaganda media that spend the last few years hallucinating about blackouts any moment now™. The same morons telling funny tales about Germany’s total on French nuclear power when in reality less than 4% of the total power was imported, the vast majority in renewables from nordic countries. The same morons that ranted against heat pumps for years (because “who doesn’t even understand how that magic is supposed to work” - paraphrasing but not really far from their actual coverage). The same morons that now loudly scream about EVs and how we really, really need to stick to combustion engines if we want to save the car industry (and civilisation!!)…

                  Guess I know where you get the shit you mistake for information.

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                    4 天前

                    Okay. So why are prices up in Germany? Do you think people just raise prices for fun? You understand how supply and demand works? Or is that also a big lie?

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                    Lol Germany’s industry is no longer competitive on the world stage because of idiot policies. As your people go poorer and your country continues to deteriorate (like USA Midwest) you will them realize loser policies create loser socioeconomic conditions.

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              Had you posted the full headline you’d have seen that this is about cost cutting. There’s no energy crisis here.

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      Yeah, because those are … looks it up … far more expensive than even coal. That would totally help with energy costs.

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      They were old, the costs for the upkeep off the charts. No insurance company insures the damn things and they didn’t provide that much power to begin with. We’re doing pretty well in terms of wind an solar power though. If someone shoots the damn Nazis on their collective faces (yes, CxU included), then this trend will keep going and we’re finally free from the corrupt oil/gas/coal cunts. Nuclear power is the dumbest shit that’s being peddled by former Redditors.

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        You are in the top 5 for electric cost in the WORLD. Your industry is begging for relief as they go bankrupt, yet you keep defending idiot policies. Well more and more Germans lose their jobs you’ll pass the point of no return. Loser policies cause loser businesses. Oh well we try to warn you but you all think you know better. It’s simple economic supply and demand. CAPITALISM NOT SOCIALISM WORKS

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            Well that’s why fossil fuel plants are needed. How are those coal power plants doing? Those cause more cancer and now you have to rely on them more. No?

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              Coal is a fossil fuel. Gas is expensive atm because of the US/Israel war. Thats why they now want to use coal more. Its (a lot) worse for the climate, worse for health but cheaper. Actually quite capitalist of them…

              Or what do you mean with fossil fuel plants? Diesel generators?

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                Well the reason the fossil fuel plants (coal, gas, oil) are needed is because nuclear energy was taken out of the equation. Look at francez they don’t have the same energy issues like Germany

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                  I understand your position as: Germany has expensive energy because they are stupid and abandoned nuclear power.

                  While abandoning nuclear power before coal was certainly a bad idea climatewise (i’m even with you calling this idiotic, thank you Merkel), coal is not more expensive than nuclear.

                  The 20 cent/kWh the french have on their electricity bill is not an honest price. The operator EDF is state owned and constantly loosing money the state then has to put in again, so the they also pay with taxes for their electricity.

                  Also the more renewables are in the mix the less economic nuclear becomes. Nuclear is good when it can run 24/7 but not when it has to constantly change its output or event has to be turned off during the day.

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                    EDF posted 5.2 billion profit in 2025, record 11 billion profit in 2024. Where do you see them losing money? Imagine having lower prices and more profit while having clean energy? Nuclear is a part of that formula ESPECIALLY for an industrial country like Germany. Alas, Germany went the other way and it’s people will fail to realize the consequences of this until it is irreparable. Industry will die, people will be poorer and Germany will be worse of. We can see this in 10 years. German auto makers already can’t compete (literally can’t make cars cheaper due to electricity cost that need to be passed down to consumer) with Chinese automakers. This is simple economics no?

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          I concur that our politicians are a bunch of right wing cunts. But the rest you’re writing is drivel. Socialism is the only thing keeping the people happy. Capitalism only makes the capital-holders happy. And yes, electricity is expensive here but not because of the bullshit you shat on your keyboard, rather because of:

          Taxes - we have super high taxes on electricity. This is OK, because taxes ensure that we can all live decent lives here.

          Costs for expanding the electrical grid - this is inevitable as more and more electricity is consumed. These aren’t sunk costs however.

          Electricity market - the price is based on the most expensive currently required form of electricity, which is gas. Nuclear power would make this more expensive.

          The conservative cunts who want to stick with gas are the corrupt fucks that ruin it for us.

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            Idk, renewables won’t help you when the sun’s not shining in the winter. Renewables won’t help you when the winds are calm in the winter. When the winter comes and you need to heat your own home, you like all the rest of your countrymen will be depending on fossil fuels. Don’t forget about the future heat waves Europe’s about to experience, you will need more electricity to cool down your homes because you did not have the foresight like Americans who actually think that summers are hot and need to cool people. That’s the difference is you need to think!

            My friend look at how many poor people died in Europe because there was no investment in the electrical grid and into cooling your cities. In the USA we would not allow that to happen because capitalism actually cares for people’s well-being and people know that they wanted to stay cool so they were able to buy that. In Europe, your regulations don’t allow you to do anything and there is no innovation and so people died. This is no different than what happened in communist Russia when so many people die because there’s no food because there was no innovation. Truly, all those that have died are just caused by more socialist practices. It really makes me sick to my stomach how Europeans are just okay with many people dying in the streets because of the heat when the USA has proven that you could cool down cities. You just do it. You open up the free market and capitalism will fix it all for you people!