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From what I understand; Israeli fans started, Pro-Palestine supporters reacted and then the entire clash happened.
The main issue is (at least in The Netherlands), the official news outlets never explain what Israeli fans did, they victimize Israeli’s and claim that they’re are the hurted ones. Blames all the Pro-Palestine people only.
I saw this article posted earlier. The part about the Israelis first tearing down a Palestinian flag, attacking a taxi driver, and chanting slogans is buried way down in the article.
Is there a football culture that isn’t? I just usually hear about bananas being thrown at black players and chants that they go home or other stuff like that.
If there’s a football culture out there that doesn’t regularly descend into horrible hooliganism, I’d like to know which one it is so I can pretend to know about them when people ask me if I like the sport.
They’re a socialist Israeli football club popular among leftist Israeli Jews and Arab Israelis. Famously, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the American-Israeli hostage who was killed in Gaza in August was among their fans.
As you can imagine, they face a pretty hostile environment throughout Israel these days.
It depends. You have clubs that give consecences for this kind of behaviour and clubs that downplay and ignore it. You have fan scences where these people are a small minority and you have scences where they dominate.
It is never black or white, but a spectrum. In the case of Maccabi fans it is a very dark shade from what i have read now. Especially as they have many ties with the IDF and are openly celebrating the crimes if not partaking in them personally
The fact that the reporting is lopsided does not mean both side are biased. The actual event can have been lopsided, and then one of the media sides is being impartial.
I’m not saying that’s what happened, I don’t know what “really” happened. Neither do you.
Quite interesting to see which news org tells which side of the story
Seems the two parties obviously clashed, but hard to say who really started.
Probably both sides pushed each other into escalation.
But so many news stations reported only about anti semitic attacks and left out the shit the Israelis did - and here the other way round.
At least it’s easy now to see which news org is biased to which side - although for most of them it was pretty much clear and in the open already
Israeli Maccabi fans started; Dutch police officer explaining (I also think the other is from UK?).
Would also like to show you multiple Instagram links from my other comment Another comment of mine.
From what I understand; Israeli fans started, Pro-Palestine supporters reacted and then the entire clash happened.
The main issue is (at least in The Netherlands), the official news outlets never explain what Israeli fans did, they victimize Israeli’s and claim that they’re are the hurted ones. Blames all the Pro-Palestine people only.
I saw this article posted earlier. The part about the Israelis first tearing down a Palestinian flag, attacking a taxi driver, and chanting slogans is buried way down in the article.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/11/08/amsterdam-bans-all-protests-after-attacks-on-israeli-football-fans
I think people should also be aware that Israeli football culture is notoriously violent and nationalist. Even by Israeli standards.
Is there a football culture that isn’t? I just usually hear about bananas being thrown at black players and chants that they go home or other stuff like that.
If there’s a football culture out there that doesn’t regularly descend into horrible hooliganism, I’d like to know which one it is so I can pretend to know about them when people ask me if I like the sport.
I’ve heard of at least one: believe it or not, Hapoel Tel Aviv F.C..
They’re a socialist Israeli football club popular among leftist Israeli Jews and Arab Israelis. Famously, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the American-Israeli hostage who was killed in Gaza in August was among their fans.
As you can imagine, they face a pretty hostile environment throughout Israel these days.
It depends. You have clubs that give consecences for this kind of behaviour and clubs that downplay and ignore it. You have fan scences where these people are a small minority and you have scences where they dominate.
It is never black or white, but a spectrum. In the case of Maccabi fans it is a very dark shade from what i have read now. Especially as they have many ties with the IDF and are openly celebrating the crimes if not partaking in them personally
Yeah, football hooligan stuff was always quite low level insult and physical injure stuff…
Just like current politics.
Nobody cares about facts anymore, it’s just about my team or fucking up the opponent team.
And that’s what I’m criticising.
We need to get back to a social level of political discussion, and not just flag raising and emotional bullshit
This story is a good litmus test to see if groundnews is worthba dam. I suspect not. Anyone with a subscription care to post a screenshot?
I’ve actually no idea what ground news is.
Is this supposed to be neutral or why did you mention them specifically?
It is the only media agglomerator and comparison service that I know besides “mediabiasfactcheck”
Thanks!
They claim to show news articles from different perspectives
Thanks!
The fact that the reporting is lopsided does not mean both side are biased. The actual event can have been lopsided, and then one of the media sides is being impartial.
I’m not saying that’s what happened, I don’t know what “really” happened. Neither do you.
Yeah, true that
Still, interesting to see how media organisations are reporting
I wasn’t taking sides in my statements. i Just was astonished, how different the reports were.
And that alone says pretty much about the news papers.
What actually is true, is probably a completely other thing altogether
Yeah, that’s my read too. Even if they mention it in the report, it’s “Israelis attacked” in the headline from a lot of the big sources.
Those jewish space lasers are looking more plausible every day lol